Does Dispensationalism reject all Calvinism?

[Lady Bug]

I'm looking into dispensationalism and covenant theology, and it seems that dispensationalists tend to reject Calvinism, but dispensationalists also believe that Jews (the remnant that will ensue) are still God's chosen, but the thing is, I'm looking at passages like Deuteronomy 7:6 and it seems clear that God chose the Jews before the Jews chose God. That looks like a Calvinist position to me - I am confused.

This is neither a pro-or anti-disp post, I haven't come to a conclusion about either - on one day, dispensationalism looks more convincing, on another day covenant theology does...

 

[HTacianas]

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I'm looking into dispensationalism and covenant theology, and it seems that dispensationalists tend to reject Calvinism, but dispensationalists also believe that Jews (the remnant that will ensue) are still God's chosen, but the thing is, I'm looking at passages like Deuteronomy 7:6 and it seems clear that God chose the Jews before the Jews chose God. That looks like a Calvinist position to me - I am confused.

This is neither a pro-or anti-disp post, I haven't come to a conclusion about either - on one day, dispensationalism looks more convincing, on another day covenant theology does...

I'm not sure if your question is about dispensationalism or Calvinism. Or something else.

But if it helps, you mention that God choosing the Jews sounds like Calvinism, but remember that God later rejected them and swore to destroy them all and build his people from the descendants of Moses. At the prayer of Moses, God changed His mind and let them live.

The strict predestination of Calvinism contradicts the bible. So don't let it hinder your studies.

 

[friend of]

At the prayer of Moses, God changed His mind and let them live

This is a strong argument against Calvinism's Unconditional Election and Irresistible Grace.

 

[HTacianas]

This is a strong argument against Calvinism's Unconditional Election and Irresistible Grace.

I think of it as the single greatest theological embarrassment of all time.

 

[friend of]

I do know one preacher who is a staunch Dispensationalist whom does reject all Calvinist doctrine.

 

[redleghunter]

I'm looking into dispensationalism and covenant theology, and it seems that dispensationalists tend to reject Calvinism, but dispensationalists also believe that Jews (the remnant that will ensue) are still God's chosen, but the thing is, I'm looking at passages like Deuteronomy 7:6 and it seems clear that God chose the Jews before the Jews chose God. That looks like a Calvinist position to me - I am confused.

This is neither a pro-or anti-disp post, I haven't come to a conclusion about either - on one day, dispensationalism looks more convincing, on another day covenant theology does...

It depends. There are some who are Calvinist with regards to Soteriology yet have an eschatology of literal futurism.

There are Arminians with regards to Soteriology yet have an eschatology of literal futurism.

Now the Reformers were mainly a-millennial in outlook.

I think your OP is going to get interesting responses because of the distinction I made between the doctrine of salvation and theories of eschatology.

 

[redleghunter]

I do know one preacher who is a staunch Dispensationalist whom does reject all Calvinist doctrine.

Most of the original Dispensationalists came from Anglicanism.

 

[Hank77]

I do know one preacher who is a staunch Dispensationalist whom does reject all Calvinist doctrine.

Now I'm confused....
Pentecostals are Dispensationalist. Pentecostals are as far from Calvinist as you can get and be a Christian.

Dispensationalism, as a system, results in a premillennial interpretation of Christ’s second coming and usually a pretribulational interpretation of the rapture. To summarize, dispensationalism is a theological system that emphasizes the literal interpretation of Bible prophecy, recognizes a distinction between Israel and the Church, and organizes the Bible into different dispensations or administrations.
https://www.gotquestions.org/dispensationalism.html

 

[redleghunter]

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I'm not sure if your question is about dispensationalism or Calvinism. Or something else.

But if it helps, you mention that God choosing the Jews sounds like Calvinism, but remember that God later rejected them and swore to destroy them all and build his people from the descendants of Moses. At the prayer of Moses, God changed His mind and let them live.

The strict predestination of Calvinism contradicts the bible. So don't let it hinder your studies.

What does strict predestination mean to you?

 

[Lady Bug]

Thank you for your responses thus far.

I'm starting to think that I shouldn't make threads about these things because I'm not done reading the Bible and I should be more equipped before coming on here and feeling like a buffoon.

 

[friend of]

Pentecostals are Dispensationalist. Pentecostals are as far from Calvinist as you can get and be a Christian.

Well this is something I just learned. He's more of a Baptist though.

I'm not done reading the Bible and I should be more equipped before coming on here and feeling like a buffoon.

Don't be so hard on yourself, my friend. Many Christians have not fully read the Bible, cover-to-cover.

 

[redleghunter]

Now I'm confused....
Pentecostals are Dispensationalist. Pentecostals are as far from Calvinist as you can get and be a Christian.

Dispensationalism, as a system, results in a premillennial interpretation of Christ’s second coming and usually a pretribulational interpretation of the rapture. To summarize, dispensationalism is a theological system that emphasizes the literal interpretation of Bible prophecy, recognizes a distinction between Israel and the Church, and organizes the Bible into different dispensations or administrations.
https://www.gotquestions.org/dispensationalism.html

It depends on the Pentecostal. Just ask them.

 

[Lady Bug]

My stuff is in red lol.

Well this is something I just learned. He's more of a Baptist though.

I've always seen Pentecostals/Charismatics have a zealous support for Israel, so it doesn't surprise me that they're Dispensationalists.


Don't be so hard on yourself, my friend. Many Christians have not fully read the Bible, cover-to-cover.

Thank you

 

[redleghunter]

Thank you for your responses thus far.

I'm starting to think that I shouldn't make threads about these things because I'm not done reading the Bible and I should be more equipped before coming on here and feeling like a buffoon.

That’s great advice right there. Stay buried in the Holy Scriptures. Don’t worry about all these future theories and focus on the Promises of God. You will have true Joy from God.

God Bless!

 

[redleghunter]

Well this is something I just learned. He's more of a Baptist though.

Baptists are split on the Calvinist Arminian divide. They are also divided futurists. Meaning some are Dispensational futurists and some are historic futurists.

 

[friend of]

I am a Dispensationalist myself. I believe God is not done with his chosen people just yet. The day of reckoning will come when He will no longer permit His Jewish nation to not recognize Him as their God. That is end-times dispensationalism for you.

 

[redleghunter]

My stuff is in red lol.

Yeah don’t be hard on yourself. Look how many of us are discussing your topic! Maybe this could be a good one where people jettison their prior misunderstandings and actual learn.

God Bless!

 

[HTacianas]

What does strict predestination mean to you?

It is the notion that all individuals are predetermined to either salvation or damnation from the beginning of time.

There are other teachings of Calvinism that are just as wrong.

 

[redleghunter]

It is the notion that all individuals are predetermined to either salvation or damnation from the beginning of time.

There are other teachings of Calvinism that are just as wrong.

Well I’ll just have to reject your unfounded assertions.

 

[HTacianas]

Well I’ll just have to reject your unfounded assertions.

My assertions are not "unfounded".