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Does Christmas really need to be "saved"?

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What I see is a problem is that employers will tell employees not to say Merry Christmas and to say Happy Holidays instead and I've heard people saying that Christmas trees are called Holiday Trees instead. I feel like if that's happening then there is a problem...
I don't see anything wrong with saying happy holidays. The use of happy holidays dates back to the mid-20th century. It's not new.
 
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I don't see anything wrong with saying happy holidays. The use of happy holidays dates back to the mid-20th century. It's not new.

Besides, wasn't there an old 'Andy Williams' song "Happy Holiday"? I remember that one from when I was a kid. There wasn't any kind of uproar about it back then...
 
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I wanna know who these people are who are offended by the reference to Christmas. I'm not Jewish but I'm cool with the dreidel and menorah...lol

I agree. I actually saw a beautiful menorah at a thrift store that I wanted to buy about six months ago. I would have had no qualms about having it on display.
 
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Now, to an extent, I can kinda understand and accept the argument made about whether or not public schools ought to recognize or call it "Christmas break" - because that's Gov't. Government is a special case IMHO - because you don't want to give the impression that the state is expressing religious preference. Government is *supposed* to be secular.

Even that, though, while I can more buy into the argument seems like a tremendous waste of time and that there are far too many people out there with too much free time on their hands.

Everything else though - ehhh - like I said - I'd like to see the people that are really walking around offended by hearing "Merry Christmas". Get a grip.
 
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I wanna know who these people are who are offended by the reference to Christmas. I'm not Jewish but I'm cool with the dreidel and menorah...lol

Usually it's people who are easily offended in general, and are big, whiny crybabies.

Christmas is Christmas. It's big, it's world-wide, it's historical, it's awesome, it's never going away. Deal with it.
 
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I don't see anything wrong with saying happy holidays. The use of happy holidays dates back to the mid-20th century. It's not new.

There is nothing wrong with saying happy holidays if that's what you want to say. I just find it insulting for someone to tell me that I cannot say Merry Christmas.
 
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There is nothing wrong with saying happy holidays if that's what you want to say. I just find it insulting for someone to tell me that I cannot say Merry Christmas.

.....or that you *can't* say "Happy Holidays" lest you be "less of a Christian" for not proselytizing? Because that's how I feel. I want to *not* step on toes of those that may not celebrate in the same way I do (and I don't see that as 'backing down' or 'being wishy-washy about my faith'). I see at as being respectful----in a way that stands out.

When I used to work regularly with the public, there was a client of ours that reminded me (politely) that she didn't celebrate Christmas. That's when I began saying, "Happy Holidays".

I agree with the Pope when he said, "We can inspire others through witness so that one grows together in communicating. But the worst thing of all is religious proselytism, which paralyzes. 'I am talking with you in order to persuade you.' No. The Church grows by attraction, not proselytizing."
 
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Ehhhh, if someone "corrected me" by saying they don't celebrate Christmas - I'd tell them I was glad to know they were part of that minority, and I'd keep it in mind the next Holiday season.

If I went to my local deli and the guy said "Happy Hanukkah" to me, I wouldn't correct him and tell him I wasn't Jewish. I'd say "Happy Hanukkah" back, smile, then go about my day.
 
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Ehhhh, if someone "corrected me" by saying they don't celebrate Christmas - I'd tell them I was glad to know they were part of that minority, and I'd keep it in mind the next Holiday season.

If I went to my local deli and the guy said "Happy Hanukkah" to me, I wouldn't correct him and tell him I wasn't Jewish. I'd say "Happy Hanukkah" back, smile, then go about my day.

I'd do the same :)
 
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There is nothing wrong with saying happy holidays if that's what you want to say. I just find it insulting for someone to tell me that I cannot say Merry Christmas.

Who is telling you that and in what circumstance? If you work for the government, I understand that, but if you are walking down the street saying Happy Christmas and someone tells you not to say it, you are of course entitled to ignore them and say it as often as you like.
 
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Out of boredom - I just read up a little bit about this movie.

Apparently KC makes the argument in the movie that Christmas Trees, Santa, etc...are all based in Christianity...and implies that the Pagans/etc stole them from Christianity.

Ummmmmmmm....
 
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Out of boredom - I just read up a little bit about this movie.

Apparently KC makes the argument in the movie that Christmas Trees, Santa, etc...are all based in Christianity...and implies that the Pagans/etc stole them from Christianity.

Ummmmmmmm....

Stole them? Is there a need for credit or what is that about? That makes me think of when my daughter was in kindergarten and a little girl accused her of "you're copying me" for getting the same jeans.

Can't we ALL have trees---enjoy taking the kiddos to see Santa and all that? Or is it that "they" are doing the same things and there's a competition for who gets to enjoy what? If that's the case, then who is doing the stealing?
 
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The competition for where the symbols came from (like the trees and all) reminded me of a blog post I recently saw (and I can't find it now). It was a blog post about Saint Nicholas, and the comments following were what caught my attention. There was so much arguing about whether or not Saint Nicholas was Catholic or Protestant (from what I understand---it was the Reformation that caused him to not be recognized any longer, because that's honoring saints).
 
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There is a pernicious rumor that resurfaces every Advent season and spreads across social media faster than a cold in a kindergarten class.

It’s the rumor that God can be “kept out” of Christmas.

You may have heard it from Kirk Cameron or an anchor at Fox News or a troop of culture warriors who have once again worked themselves into a frenzy over the “War on Christmas.” Galvanized by fear, they storm checkout counters to demand that clerks issue them a “Merry Christmas” instead of “Happy Holidays” and cry persecution when inflatable manger scenes are moved from public courthouses to private property. They pine after the good-old-days when Christians could force Jewish kids to sing Christmas carols at school and they demand that every gift purchased, every mall opened late, every credit card maxed out must be done so in Jesus’ name or else Christ will be “kept out” of Christmas. They do it because someone told them that God needs a nod from the Empire to show up, forgetting somehow that the story of Advent is the story of how God showed up as a Jew in the Roman Empire.

In a barn.

As an oppressed minority.

To the applause of a few poor shepherds.

The whole story of Advent is the story of how God can’t be kept out. God is present. God is with us. God shows up—not with a parade but with the whimper of a baby, not among the powerful but among the marginalized, not to the demanding but to the humble. From Advent to Easter, the story of Jesus should teach us that God doesn’t need a mention in our pledge or on our money or over the loudspeaker at the mall to be present, and when we fight like spoiled children to “keep” God in those things, we are fighting for idols. We’re chasing wind.

Quoted from this article: A friendly reminder...
 
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Uh, as is well recorded in history, paganism was around before Christianity, so it's laughable to make out that paganism stole Christian symbols/events. SMH.

Exactly. There are definitely things about Christmas that are uniquely Christian - but when you look at how people *practice* Christmas (Christmas trees, yule logs, Santa, etc...), sorry but they're all pagan practices adopted by Christianity in the effort to make conversion more palatable. The drive to try and "keep Christ in Christmas" despite the Pagan practices has been going on for a LONG time.

Heck - look at the name Kris Kringle. Martin Luther felt that the Pagan influences on how Christmas was practiced were taking precedence over the Christian roots of it (yeah - it goes back even further than that) - so instead of Santa Claus - he tried to get people to start celebrating with the Christkindl (Christ Child)...which basically substituted a baby Jesus running around giving gifts to children instead of Santa.

That only took off in certain areas - but people liked the name...and Christkindl slowly evolved into Kris Kringle...which became another name for Santa.
 
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