Does Cain’s punishment support evolution?

[Keachian]

Your made links to Wikipedia?

Christianity did not come out of Judaism,do you have any proof that Judaism was the Religion of the Bible?

If Christianity came out of Judaism or is a split from Judaism,then why don't Christians do anything Jewish?
Why don't Christians adopt Jewish practices?

Yep sure let's look at 21st century differences and wonder what's going on, both have changed in a huge way over the past 20 centuries, quite a lot of the Jewish practices we see today are a result of changes in the middle ages, there are also many different forms of Christianity that are very different to your small limited view of Christianity (that it is western and evangelical.

 

[Keachian]

So,what you don't believe Adam was a literal human been who existed on earth?

It's not an issue that pertains to whether I am saved.

 

[1an]

Yep sure let's look at 21st century differences and wonder what's going on, both have changed in a huge way over the past 20 centuries, quite a lot of the Jewish practices we see today are a result of changes in the middle ages, there are also many different forms of Christianity that are very different to your small limited view of Christianity (that it is western and evangelical.

You mention that the first Christian Pope, the apostle Peter, was of Jewish descent and I wondered what you thought of the suggestion that some of the ritual found in the Catholic Church owed its presence to the influence of the Jewish Priesthood?

What do you think?

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[Keachian]

You mention that the first Christian Pope was a converted Jew and I wondered what you thought of the suggestion that some of the ritual found in the Catholic Church had its origin in the Jewish Priests?

Maybe, I haven't really looked that much into either two strains of ritual. The only leader of the Early Church that was anywhere close to being a Priest was Paul, but then Pharisees are rather different to priests.

 

[1an]

Maybe, I haven't really looked that much into either two strains of ritual. The only leader of the Early Church that was anywhere close to being a Priest was Paul, but then Pharisees are rather different to priests.

I was struck with the similarity of the Levite Priest and the Catholic Priest, and then I think of Jesus and the simplicity of the Christian message and its emphasis on purity of heart rather than outward appearance.
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[Assyrian]

Is the question where did she come from meaning "from what area" or "how was she born"? The answer to what area is we don't know, presumably near Cain's home since he found her before he was exiled. The answer to how was she born is by some decendancy of Adam and Eve, either their daughter or grand daughter, or great grandaughter, or great great grand daughter. Take your pick, we just don't know which one. But the Bible says all come from Adam and Eve, for she is the mother of all living (not animals like some are going to try and pin this on and make a mockery of it).

So the only evidence for your claim Cain married a member of his own family is a verse you cannot take literally?

 

[Assyrian]

He could have been in fear of future population as well.

If Adam & Eve were going to populate the earth, I don't think it is much of a stretch to assume that at some time in the future someone would kill him.

I have a brother 20 years older than I, and I'm 57.

65 years ago, he could have murdered my sister, and today been in fear of retribution from me.

(Just speaking hypothetically, of course.)

Might be a worry now, but I can't imagine that a yet to be conceived baby brother and what he might do in 60 years would be of much a concern to a 12 year old killer who had only just washed his sister's blood off his hands. It was being sent into exile that had him terrified of whoever might find him, he hadn't feared for his life while he could still live at home with his family.

 

[AV1611VET]

Might be a worry now, but I can't imagine that a yet to be conceived baby brother and what he might do in 60 years would be of much a concern to a 12 year old killer who had only just washed his sister's blood off his hands. It was being sent into exile that had him terrified of whoever might find him, he hadn't feared for his life while he could still live at home with his family.

I have a feeling Mr. Cain knew more about the situation he was in than we do.

 

[Gozreht]

Wow, I leave for ten hours and get 4 more pages to read. So little time so much to respond to...

This does it for me.

"During the 6th millennium BC, agriculture spread from the Balkans to Italy and Eastern Europe, and also from Mesopotamia to Egypt. World population was essentially stable at approximately 5 million, though some speculate up to 7 million."

"The 5th millennium BC saw the spread of agriculture from the Near East throughout southern and central Europe. Urban cultures in Mesopotamia and Anatolia flourished, developing the wheel. Copper ornaments became more common. Animal husbandry spread throughout Eurasia, reaching China. World population grew slightly throughout the millennium, maybe from 5 to 7 million people."

"The 4th millennium BC saw major changes in human culture. It marked the beginning of the Bronze Age and of writing. The city states of Sumer and the kingdom of Egypt were established and grew to prominence. Agriculture spread widely across Eurasia. World population in the course of the millennium doubled, approximately from 7 to 14 million people in the area surrounding them."

This is when Cain and Able were living. There were millions of people and Cain would not have any trouble finding a wife.

6th millennium BC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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1an,
You know I have nothing agianst you but we will always disagree on this matter. The info you posted here is purely circumstancial and speculative. It can never be proven since there are no written accounts of a time before Adam. If they claim to have a creation story of their then it is a myth/legeng and not true. This is border line what science does but they try and use flawed data to prove it.

 

[Gozreht]

The Bible is correct but our understanding is not quite as it should be.

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

If you notice he has not got a name as yet. This is primitive man and the word is "aw-dawm'" which has been translated as Adam. Unfortunately the two Adams, this one and the one in chapter four are not the same people.

It is a bit like you writing a history of America and beginning say in the 15th century with an introduction about the Big Bang and the formation of the earth and then going into Christopher Columbus lets say, and then writing 6,000 years of history. The reader thinks the events follow straight on after each other with Christopher Columbus being the first man but we know he wasn't.

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This will be me nit-picking but its not like that because there is written record even before Columbus. But I do get your point.

That is a different subject. If people did live 900 years for generations that would throw the age of the earth back even further.

WHy would it? If you run the time line the Bible lays out for us it does add up to around 5800 years or so. As time went on more diseases, low gene pools, and war happened on the earth shortening life spans. It does add up.

 

[jpcedotal]

I have a feeling Mr. Cain knew more about the situation he was in than we do.

And he had to live with that decision a lot longer....

 

[AV1611VET]

And he had to live with that decision a lot longer....

Indeed -- and I don't think he was planning to live in isolation.

Sooner or later, he knew someone was going to come along.

 

[Gozreht]

Descendents from Adam and Eve?

Seth was the substitute for Abel(Genesis 4:25)

The rest of the children were born in Adam's later years,so how could the everyone be descendents of Adam and Eve?

Where does the Bible say all men came from Adam and Eve?

What part of Genesis 3:20 do you not understand?

New International Version (©1984)
Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of all the living.
New Living Translation (©2007)
Then the man--Adam--named his wife Eve, because she would be the mother of all who live.
English Standard Version (©2001)
The man called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all living.
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
Now the man called his wife's name Eve, because she was the mother of all the living.
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Adam named his wife Eve [Life] because she became the mother of every living person.
King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
American King James Version
And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
American Standard Version
And the man called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
Douay-Rheims Bible
And Adam called the name of his wife Eve: because she was the mother of all the living.
Darby Bible Translation
And Man called his wife's name Eve; because she is the mother of all living.
English Revised Version
And the man called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
Webster's Bible Translation
And Adam called his wife's name Eve, because she was the mother of all living. World English Bible
The man called his wife Eve, because she was the mother of all living. Young's Literal Translation
And the man calleth his wife's name Eve: for she hath been mother of all living.

 

[Gozreht]

So,Neanderthal man CAN be resurrected?

You put words into my mouth. There is no "neanderthal".

 

[Gozreht]

So the only evidence for your claim Cain married a member of his own family is a verse you cannot take literally?

No. Just not complete. It had to be a member of his own family in one way, shape, or form. Just like you and I are somehow related.

 

[Assyrian]

No. Just not complete. It had to be a member of his own family in one way, shape, or form. Just like you and I are somehow related.

All life on earth is related, I don't know how that helps you though. If your incomplete meaning are going to exclude other animals from 'all living' which is the normal meaning of the phrase, why not exclude other humans alive when Adam said that too? If you can't take it literally, and 'every living creature' is the literal meaning of the term, then we have to look at a range of different meanings to the phrase. If you pick one non literal meaning an insist it has to be that meaning, you choice is pretty arbitrary and doesn't provide any basis for a claim Cain must have married in his family

 

[Greg1234]

All life on earth is related, I don't know how that helps you though. If your incomplete meaning are going to exclude other animals from 'all living' which is the normal meaning of the phrase, why not exclude other humans alive when Adam said that too? If you can't take it literally, and 'every living creature' is the literal meaning of the term, then we have to look at a range of different meanings to the phrase. If you pick one non literal meaning an insist it has to be that meaning, you choice is pretty arbitrary and doesn't provide any basis for a claim Cain must have married in his family

The maternal principle within God (taken from Adam who is in the image of God) is the mother of all living. It is taken through the rib and manifested in matter as the human female at that point of creation.

 

[dagelos]

You put words into my mouth. There is no "neanderthal".

Then what?

 

[dagelos]

Yep sure let's look at 21st century differences and wonder what's going on, both have changed in a huge way over the past 20 centuries, quite a lot of the Jewish practices we see today are a result of changes in the middle ages, there are also many different forms of Christianity that are very different to your small limited view of Christianity (that it is western and evangelical.

If Christianity came out of Judaism why don't Christians do anything Jewish or adopt Jewish practices?

 

[dagelos]

Websters gives two definitions one being pertaining to scripture and one pertaining to civil affairs, are we talking about Civil affairs or scripture?

Pick your definition?

Were Jesus and the Apostles Romans?