Does Cain’s punishment support evolution?

[Keachian]

So where does it state everyone came from Adam?

Adam is archetypal for all of humanity throughout the Bible.

It's racist to say Christianity is a white religion when it is?

Totally disregarding the fact that there are believers in pretty much every country in the world and nearly every ethnic group.

...Christianity is a Religion of the Europeans,they believe it predominately.

Christianity is an Abrahamaic religion it originated in Israel as a sect of Judaism. And last I checked Israel was in the Middle East, not Europe.

So how is it wrong to say Christianity is not a white Religion?

Because that statement is demonstrably false. I personally know Christians who are not of European descent.

 

[dagelos]

Adam is archetypal for all of humanity throughout the Bible.


Totally disregarding the fact that there are believers in pretty much every country in the world and nearly every ethnic group.


Christianity is an Abrahamaic religion it originated in Israel as a sect of Judaism. And last I checked Israel was in the Middle East, not Europe.


Because that statement is demonstrably false. I personally know Christians who are not of European descent.

Where does it say everyone came from Adam?

Who prints the Bibles and Builds the Churches? Who have been all the Popes and Protestant Reformers?
Have they all been white Europeans?

Sect of Judaism?
Judaism is not the Religion of the Bible.
You are confusing Judaism,Jews,Israel and state of Israel.

Israel migrated in to Europe after the Assyrian Captivity,there are texts on this,how is it false?

 

[Keachian]

Explain more on this...

Are you saying no one is human but has to become human?

I don't think I can do it as good a justice as either Paul or Lewis did so I'll refer you to them
Romans 5:12-21
Mere Christianity Book 4

What of descending from Adam?

Adam being Archetypal, Adam as a broad term for all of humanity.

 

[dagelos]

I don't think I can do it as good a justice as either Paul or Lewis did so I'll refer you to them
Romans 5:12-21
Mere Christianity Book 4


Adam being Archetypal, Adam as a broad term for all of humanity.

What about Neanderthal man,is he descended from Adam?

 

[Keachian]

What IS Spiritual Israel?

Gentile does not mean non-Jew.

Gentile in Websters 1828 is defined as.....

In civil affairs, the denomination was given to all nations who were not Romans.

Jesus and the Apostles were gentiles as they were not Romans.Unless you say otherwise?

Gentile in use for non-Jew started with Jerome's Vulagate, he translated Hellenes, ethnes, goy and nokhri to gentilis whenever they referred to non-Jewish nations.

What do you mean it doesn't matter?

It's not of any import my salvation is not worked out on whether I am a physical descendent of Israel.

Do you ''assume'' they assimilated in to other cultures?

yep,

 

[dagelos]

Gentile in use for non-Jew started with Jerome's Vulagate, he translated Hellenes, ethnes, goy and nokhri to gentilis whenever they referred to non-Jewish nations.


It's not of any import my salvation is not worked out on whether I am a physical descendent of Israel.


yep,

So,what about the Websters definition of Gentile,were Jesus and the Apostles Romans or not?

That's a pretty big assumption....

 

[Keachian]

Where does it say everyone came from Adam?

Why are we going all the way back to Adam? There is a more recent bottleneck for literalists Noah...

Who prints the Bibles and Builds the Churches? Who have been all the Popes and Protestant Reformers?
Have they all been white Europeans?

No

Sect of Judaism?
Judaism is not the Religion of the Bible.
You are confusing Judaism,Jews,Israel and state of Israel.

You need to learn you some Church history.

Israel migrated in to Europe after the Assyrian Captivity,there are texts on this,how is it false?

It's still irrelevant to our salvation.

 

[Keachian]

What about Neanderthal man,is he descended from Adam?

I don't believe in a literal Adam, the question is moot

 

[dagelos]

Why are we going all the way back to Adam? There is a more recent bottleneck for literalists Noah...


No


You need to learn you some Church history.


It's still irrelevant to our salvation.

No?Alright what is wrong with the second one?
Since when have Popes or Protestant Reformers been non-white?

Church history,Judaism is not the religion of the Bible,here is something...

Rabbi Ben Zion Bokser wrote, "This is not an uncommon impression and one finds it sometimes among Jews as well as Christians - that Judaism is the religion of the Hebrew Bible. It is, of course, a fallacious impression. . . Judaism is not the religion of the Bible" (Judaism and the Christian Predicament, New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1967, p. 59).

Rabbi Moshe M. Maggal, President, National Jewish Information Service wrote: ". . . you will notice the great difference between the Jewish and Christian religions. But these are not all. We consider the two religions so different that one excludes the other. . . we emphasized that there is no such thing as a Judeo-Christian religion. . . . There is not any similarity between the two concepts" (Letter of August 21, 1961).

If it is relevevant to our salvation then why did you assume that they assimilated into other cultures?
Also,what is Salvation,what are we saved from?

 

[dagelos]

I don't believe in a literal Adam, the question is moot

So,you don't believe Adam existed?

Genesis 5:1-2:1This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; 2Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

 

[Keachian]

So,what about the Websters definition of Gentile,were Jesus and the Apostles Romans or not?

Well considering we're talking about what the Scriptures say I think this definition is much more relevant:
In the scriptures, a pagan; a worshipper of false gods; any person not a Jew or a christian; a heathen. The Hebrews included in the term goim or nations, all the tribes of men who had not received the true faith,and were not circumcised. The christians translated goim by the L. gentes, and imitated the Jews in giving the name gentiles to all nations who were not Jews nor christians.

That's a pretty big assumption....

sosumi

 

[dagelos]

Well considering we're talking about what the Scriptures say I think this definition is much more relevant:
In the scriptures, a pagan; a worshipper of false gods; any person not a Jew or a christian; a heathen. The Hebrews included in the term goim or nations, all the tribes of men who had not received the true faith,and were not circumcised. The christians translated goim by the L. gentes, and imitated the Jews in giving the name gentiles to all nations who were not Jews nor christians.


sosumi

Websters 1828....

In the scriptures, a pagan; a worshipper of false gods; any person not a Jew or a christian; a heathen. The Hebrews included in the term goim or nations, all the tribes of men who had not received the true faith,and were not circumcised. The christians translated goim by the L. gentes, and imitated the Jews in giving the name gentiles to all nations who were not Jews nor christians. In civil affairs, the denomination was given to all nations who were not Romans.

Were Jesus and the Apostles Romans?


sosumi[?

 

[Keachian]

No?Alright what is wrong with the second one?
Since when have Popes or Protestant Reformers been non-white?

The first Pope is generally claimed to be Peter, an Israelite, Israelites are not White, and on the other hand Christianity is not confined to just Roman Catholicism and the Reformed Church, Look into the Church of the East and the Nasrani.

Church history,Judaism is not the religion of the Bible,here is something...

Split of early Christianity and Judaism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Rabbi Ben Zion Bokser wrote, "This is not an uncommon impression and one finds it sometimes among Jews as well as Christians - that Judaism is the religion of the Hebrew Bible. It is, of course, a fallacious impression. . . Judaism is not the religion of the Bible" (Judaism and the Christian Predicament, New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1967, p. 59).

Rabbi Moshe M. Maggal, President, National Jewish Information Service wrote: ". . . you will notice the great difference between the Jewish and Christian religions. But these are not all. We consider the two religions so different that one excludes the other. . . we emphasized that there is no such thing as a Judeo-Christian religion. . . . There is not any similarity between the two concepts" (Letter of August 21, 1961).

So you're quoting 20th Century views on a 1st Century split...

If it is relevevant to our salvation then why did you assume that they assimilated into other cultures?

It's not relevant

Also,what is Salvation,what are we saved from?

"Saved from" is a roman Idea and as such isn't really what we're driving at here, I am saved to bring Glory to God.

 

[Keachian]

Websters 1828....

In the scriptures, a pagan; a worshipper of false gods; any person not a Jew or a christian; a heathen. The Hebrews included in the term goim or nations, all the tribes of men who had not received the true faith,and were not circumcised. The christians translated goim by the L. gentes, and imitated the Jews in giving the name gentiles to all nations who were not Jews nor christians. In civil affairs, the denomination was given to all nations who were not Romans.

Were Jesus and the Apostles Romans?

You're focusing on the wrong definition.

 

[Keachian]

So,you don't believe Adam existed?

Genesis 5:1-2:1This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; 2Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

Yes Genealogies are oh so useful for our faith aren't they?

"nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies, which promote speculations rather than the stewardship from God that is by faith."

 

[AV1611VET]

'Whoever' as in "whoever finds me will kill me", is a strange way for Cain to describe his Mother and Father.

He could have been in fear of future population as well.

If Adam & Eve were going to populate the earth, I don't think it is much of a stretch to assume that at some time in the future someone would kill him.

I have a brother 20 years older than I, and I'm 57.

65 years ago, he could have murdered my sister, and today been in fear of retribution from me.

(Just speaking hypothetically, of course.)

 

[dagelos]

The first Pope is generally claimed to be Peter, an Israelite, Israelites are not White, and on the other hand Christianity is not confined to just Roman Catholicism and the Reformed Church, Look into the Church of the East and the Nasrani.


Split of early Christianity and Judaism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


So you're quoting 20th Century views on a 1st Century split...


It's not relevant


"Saved from" is a roman Idea and as such isn't really what we're driving at here, I am saved to bring Glory to God.

Your made links to Wikipedia?

Christianity did not come out of Judaism,do you have any proof that Judaism was the Religion of the Bible?

If Christianity came out of Judaism or is a split from Judaism,then why don't Christians do anything Jewish?
Why don't Christians adopt Jewish practices?

 

[dagelos]

You're focusing on the wrong definition.

What definition should I be focusing on?

How is the Webster's 1828 Definition,wrong?

Read it carefully....

In civil affairs, the denomination was given to all nations who were not Romans.

Were Jesus and the Apostles Romans?

 

[dagelos]

Yes Genealogies are oh so useful for our faith aren't they?

"nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies, which promote speculations rather than the stewardship from God that is by faith."

So,what you don't believe Adam was a literal human been who existed on earth?

 

[Keachian]

What definition should I be focusing on?

How is the Webster's 1828 Definition,wrong?

Read it carefully....

In civil affairs, the denomination was given to all nations who were not Romans.

Were Jesus and the Apostles Romans?

Websters gives two definitions one being pertaining to scripture and one pertaining to civil affairs, are we talking about Civil affairs or scripture?