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Does being buried next to a dead relative show respect to them, or serve no particular purpose?

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My grandparents had two children who both got married and stayed married until death. If you count up the number of people that include the grandparents, their two kids, and their kid's spouses, you have 6 people.

The grandparents bought 6 cemetery plots many years ago, after their kids were married. When asked why they bought so many plots when there are only two of them, the answer was, "for whoever needs them." Though they never admitted to it, it is believed by some family members that their intent was that they hoped their two kids and their spouses would want to be buried alongside them - six people, six cemetery plots.

Fast forward years later, it turns out that none of the four relatives (their two kids and spouses) were buried in those plots. Plots can be bought and sold via the newspaper, craigslist, etc. The bottom line right now is that the two grandparents are lying there dead by themselves, with two plots still available and under control of just one surviving relative, (an unmarried, childless, grandchild) who preferably would like to use one of the two for themselves to be buried in, alongside their grandparents, then either sell the other or leave it via will to someone else as an asset they could use or sell. But it's a hassle to sell one. There's paperwork to prove who now owns it, and of course, a hefty fee that goes to the cemetery just for handling the paperwork to transfer the name. The situation is complicated by the fact that the grandchild may move out of state, die out of state, and being buried alongside their grandparents would then entail coordinating by the funeral home and untold expensive transportation costs, paid to whoever ships dead bodies across the country. (I'm afraid to even ask how much that would cost.)

If YOU were the last surviving relative that had the option to be buried in the immediate vicinity of the original grandparents, and you didn't want to be cremated, would you have an increased desire to be buried there due to the fact that no one else in the family chose to, and if you don't do it, they lay there 'alone' with no other relatives nearby like they had apparently originally hoped? Or do you believe that since they're dead, they'll never know who was or wasn't buried near them, and somehow showing respect to their memory by just one, rather than 4 relatives being buried near them is pointless, if not downright nutty?

I knew a man who thought it was crazy to put flowers on a grave. He didn't say why, but I presume he thought it was pointless since the deceased never knows you did it, and/or graves don't need to be beautified. I've even heard that you should never walk across a grave out of respect, which would require paying attention to the direction of the tombstones or markers and walking between them rather than just strutting across the cemetery any way you want. If these issues are signs of respect to dead people, why wouldn't being buried near them be also?

And where do you draw the line as to how much you're willing to hassle with making sure that happens? i.e. long-distance issues if you're nowhere near that state when you die?

Assume that no 'life change' takes place, such as the grandchild gets married and now wants to be buried with their own spouse somewhere else anyway.

I hate even THINKING about stuff like this. It's depressing mind clutter, but smart people have their ducks lined up so as to reduce burdens left on others when they die. You need to make your wishes known. What would you think about the situation and do? Would being buried with relatives who thought enough of their family to buy 6 plots way in advance even matter, knowing that 'if you don't do it, no one else will?' Do you think the grandparents have been disrespected by other family members who have chosen, for whatever reason, to be buried someplace else within the same city?
 
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My grandparents had two children who both got married. If you count up the number of people that include the grandparents, their two kids, and their kid's spouses, you have 6 people.

The grandparents bought 6 cemetery plots many years ago, after their kids were married. When asked why they bought so many plots when there are only two of them, the answer was, "for whoever needs them." Though they never admitted to it, it is believed by some family members that their intent was that they hoped their two kids and their spouses would want to be buried alongside them - six people, six cemetery plots.

Fast forward years later, it turns out that none of the four relatives (their two kids and spouses) were buried in those plots. Plots can be bought and sold via the newspaper, craigslist, etc. The bottom line right now is that the two grandparents are lying there dead by themselves, with two plots still available and under control of just one surviving relative, (an unmarried, childless, grandchild) who preferably would like to use one of the two for themselves to be buried in, alongside their grandparents, then either sell the other or leave it via will to someone else as an asset they could use or sell. But it's a hassle to sell one. There's paperwork to prove who now owns it, and of course, a hefty fee that goes to the cemetery just for handling the paperwork to transfer the name. The situation is complicated by the fact that the grandchild may move out of state, die out of state, and being buried alongside their grandparents would then entail coordinating by the funeral home and untold expensive transportation costs, paid to whoever ships dead bodies across the country. (I'm afraid to even ask how much that would cost.)

If YOU were the last surviving relative that had the option to be buried in the immediate vicinity of the original grandparents, and you didn't want to be cremated, would you have an increased desire to be buried there due to the fact that no one else in the family chose to, and if you don't do it, they lay there 'alone' with no other relatives nearby like they had apparently originally hoped? Or do you believe that since they're dead, they'll never know who was or wasn't buried near them, and somehow showing respect to their memory by just one, rather than 4 relatives being buried near them is pointless, if not downright nutty?

I knew a man who thought it was crazy to put flowers on a grave. Apparently, he thought it was pointless since the deceased never knows you did it, and/or graves don't need to be beautified. I've even heard that you should never walk across a grave out of respect, which would require paying attention to the direction of the tombstones or markers and walking between them rather than just strutting across the cemetery any way you want. If these issues are signs of respect to dead people, why wouldn't being buried near them be also?
And where do you draw the line as to how much you're willing to hassle with making sure that comes true, not only for your own benefit, (you have to be buried SOMEWHERE anyway) vs. long-distance issues if you're nowhere near that town when you die?

Assume that no 'life change' takes place, such as the grandchild gets married and now wants to be buried with their own spouse somewhere else anyway.

I hate even THINKING about stuff like this. It's depressing mind clutter, but smart people have their ducks lined up so as to reduce burdens left on others when they die. You need to make your wishes known. What would you think about the situation and do? Would being buried with relatives who thought enough of their family to buy 6 plots way in advance even matter, knowing that 'if you don't do it, no one else will?' Do you think the grandparents have been disrespected by other family members so far, who have chosen, for whatever reason, to be buried someplace else within the same city, when they could have had used plots that had already been paid for?

Hi Justme6272,

It is up to the individual themselves to determine where they want to be buried (or cremated), etc. When people die, their spirit lives on and will either be immediately in Hades (for the unsaved) or in Heaven (for the saved). Therefore, they are not thinking about, nor worrying about, where their other family member's bodies are buried or will be buried. They have more important things on their minds based upon where they currently are.

Furthermore, all dead bodies in the ground, in the sea or in an urn will one day be resurrected either to eternal life or eternal death, so their temporary location right now is really irrelevant, in my opinion.
 
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I don't believe the dead can see or hear us in the next life. I also believe that it is rather possible that when they show up in heaven (or hell) that time passes at a dramatically different rate such that the need to hear or see it isn't needed. The Bible equates in Scripture that a "day is like 1000 years", this can mean that for about 3 years down here only a day passes. that means 20 years is about a week there and a month or so give or take a week or so is a lifetime down here.
As for respect, if it doesn't serve a purpose to encourage others to better themselves it can be a meaningless gesture that is often used to bully people into being like everyone else. I think that if someone wants their dead rotting corpse to be tossed in the ground over there instead of here not a huge deal but children aren't required to live at home when they become adults so being buried by their parents is also an adult choice although many parents would like their children to be buried with them they also have to realize that is an endless idea that means the grandchildren buried in the same graveyard and the next 4 generations till it is full and then someone has to be buried elsewhere and there is still broken idea of this respect. I do think that if a husband truly loves his wife he will want to be buried by her but children/parents idea isn't the same kids don't marry their moms and dads or promise them in a contract to love them forever, being buried by your spouse is respect for that promise I think.
Next the walking across graves thing is more of a custom than respect and perhaps relates to graveyards that don't have this wonderful grass covering that a lot of walking would make the grave site look worse.
Finally there is this thing called ancestor worship, it varies in cultures and religions and goes from showing more respect than considered socially needed by the average person on earth and often ends with people thinking that they are required to go to their relatives etc graves and say and do things with the idea that the deceased can see/hear them while there and not showing up will have an effect on the dead person somehow. I watched this one Disney movie called Coco that was based on this sort of ancestor worship idea that if people that died don't have someone with their picture up on a certain day of the year can't visit them and in time these "ignored" people will vanish entirely. You see in the movie sort of an altar with all these pictures of people dead for several generations etc.
 
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My grandparents had two children who both got married and stayed married until death. If you count up the number of people that include the grandparents, their two kids, and their kid's spouses, you have 6 people.

The grandparents bought 6 cemetery plots many years ago, after their kids were married. When asked why they bought so many plots when there are only two of them, the answer was, "for whoever needs them." Though they never admitted to it, it is believed by some family members that their intent was that they hoped their two kids and their spouses would want to be buried alongside them - six people, six cemetery plots.

Fast forward years later, it turns out that none of the four relatives (their two kids and spouses) were buried in those plots. Plots can be bought and sold via the newspaper, craigslist, etc. The bottom line right now is that the two grandparents are lying there dead by themselves, with two plots still available and under control of just one surviving relative, (an unmarried, childless, grandchild) who preferably would like to use one of the two for themselves to be buried in, alongside their grandparents, then either sell the other or leave it via will to someone else as an asset they could use or sell. But it's a hassle to sell one. There's paperwork to prove who now owns it, and of course, a hefty fee that goes to the cemetery just for handling the paperwork to transfer the name. The situation is complicated by the fact that the grandchild may move out of state, die out of state, and being buried alongside their grandparents would then entail coordinating by the funeral home and untold expensive transportation costs, paid to whoever ships dead bodies across the country. (I'm afraid to even ask how much that would cost.)

If YOU were the last surviving relative that had the option to be buried in the immediate vicinity of the original grandparents, and you didn't want to be cremated, would you have an increased desire to be buried there due to the fact that no one else in the family chose to, and if you don't do it, they lay there 'alone' with no other relatives nearby like they had apparently originally hoped? Or do you believe that since they're dead, they'll never know who was or wasn't buried near them, and somehow showing respect to their memory by just one, rather than 4 relatives being buried near them is pointless, if not downright nutty?

I knew a man who thought it was crazy to put flowers on a grave. He didn't say why, but I presume he thought it was pointless since the deceased never knows you did it, and/or graves don't need to be beautified. I've even heard that you should never walk across a grave out of respect, which would require paying attention to the direction of the tombstones or markers and walking between them rather than just strutting across the cemetery any way you want. If these issues are signs of respect to dead people, why wouldn't being buried near them be also?

And where do you draw the line as to how much you're willing to hassle with making sure that happens? i.e. long-distance issues if you're nowhere near that state when you die?

Assume that no 'life change' takes place, such as the grandchild gets married and now wants to be buried with their own spouse somewhere else anyway.

I hate even THINKING about stuff like this. It's depressing mind clutter, but smart people have their ducks lined up so as to reduce burdens left on others when they die. You need to make your wishes known. What would you think about the situation and do? Would being buried with relatives who thought enough of their family to buy 6 plots way in advance even matter, knowing that 'if you don't do it, no one else will?' Do you think the grandparents have been disrespected by other family members who have chosen, for whatever reason, to be buried someplace else within the same city?

Well let me help you by giving you a scripture.

Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Ecc 9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.

Ecc 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.
 
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Well let me help you by giving you a scripture.

Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Well I don't know what 'memory' they think is forgotten, but people remember dead friends and loved ones all the time. Those memories aren't erased.
 
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Well I don't know what 'memory' they think is forgotten, but people remember dead friends and loved ones all the time. Those memories aren't erased.

The text is talking about the memories belonging to the dead person. Not the memory of the dead person by the living. The point is that the dead do not know anything so in answering your question, it makes no difference to the dead where others are buried because they do not know what is happening.
 
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