Not invisible if you put it under a microscope.Google is your friend. Type in zygote and then look at all the images. A zygote is not invisible.
Yes, it is difficult when someone does not consider Yahweh Sovereign, and His Word as the Standard as Yahweh PERFECTLY UNDERSTANDS all things.I am at a disadvantage debating with you since you consider human life the same as a rat or a concrete structure.
Really..
I certainly did not say that.I am at a disadvantage debating with you since you consider human life the same as a rat or a concrete structure.
Really..
Do you realize how misleading it is to use a a vague phrase like "life has begun"?There is not a fully formed human being at conception, but life has begun.
Funny funny funny.You do realize you're creating out of your rear your own definition of body, right? If you disagree, please cite a reference that defines a body as requiring flesh and blood.
With a seed you have no tree.Without a seed, you have no tree. Not to mention, the Christian view of what it means to be human, entails more than the physical body.
Douglas, I wish you could see just how absurd your ideas are. At conception we have a new, unique, individual. All organisms begin their existence as one cell. We only exist as that one cell for a very short period of time.
But at no point during our development, which lasts about 25 years are we not a human being.
You will need to put out your own book with your own definitions since everything you say contradicts known science.
It's a body - just at various stages and with various capacities. Body=physicality.
Not at all comparable to a speck of dust.Well that is one possible definition of "body," I suppose.
So even something with the barest amount of physicality (a speck of dust in the physical universe) is "a body." A speck of dust, or one cell bearing human genetics.
Well in that sense yes, a minuscule invisible nothing could be considered a body, but it is nothing like an actual human being animal body.
It's the type of "physicality" I was pointing to.Not at all comparable to a speck of dust.
A speck of dust is inanimate, dead, and will not grow into anything. A human from the time it is one cell is alive, and already set as to the person. It can hardly grow into a cow, or a puppy. It's a human.
Seems you consider a human being to be far less than a jellyfish or a chimpanzee, for what possible value, what intrinsic worth, could we ever find in a single alive cell. Itself that is.The real issue is what is a human person, and does such a person have intrinsic value as a person. I would say each person is of inestimable worth, so from the moment it begins, it is valuable.
If you consider a human of no more intrinsic worth than a jellyfish or a chimpanzee, then it is easy to devalue the stages it passes through.
I don't know where you get the idea from my post that I value a person less than a jellyfish.Seems you consider a human being to be far less than a jellyfish or a chimpanzee, for what possible value, what intrinsic worth, could we ever find in a single alive cell. Itself that is.
Sure it has potential that is great, it may indeed multiply and become something much more, but in itself, as what it actually is, is virtually nothing, certainly far less than a jellyfish.
It is true that a human person does have intrinsic value, is of inestimable worth. But certainly none of that is found in the zygote. Not in any zygote, ever.
WHICH ITSELF PROVES THE ZYGOTE COULD NOT POSSIBLY BE A HUMAN PERSON.
God values human life, from the womb. I'm surprised to hear another Christian dispute that.
Do you realize how misleading it is to use a a vague phrase like "life has begun"?
That is a very true statement - "The process of creating a new human being has begun."When a sperm fertilises an egg, that is when human life begins. The process of creating a new human being has begun.
EXACTLY.
God values human life, from the womb.
"From" meaning after.
Not before or even in it.
Oh yah? You are suggesting there is more God paying attention to what is in a womb than to babes AND BEYOND in the "born" side of things? I doubt it.There is no evidence that God ignores all this and only values a baby when it is born, quite the opposite.
A body is simply whatever physical form encases the individual of a species. That would include a zygote. A human being is any individual that has human chromosomes, including any of the normal accidental deviations, such as XXY.Does a human being have a body? Of course, is the obvious answer.
I consider it a fact, that human beings, actual animals, members of the species, have bodies.
So the zygote, a single cell with human DNA, cannot itself be a human being.
Since it is only one cell, it cannot possibly have any flesh and blood and bone, i.e. a body.
The implication is, there cannot possibly be a human being at conception.
(Other than the newly pregnant woman.)
Note this is NOT about any disembodied "soul," not about "souls surviving the body," things like that. It is about real human beings alive on the earth.
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