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Oh well there's lots of latter day fringe spin-off doctrines out there. An aspect many have in common is that they're the specially enlightend chosen elect remnant. Which is appealing to the ego.Is it only Reformed/Calvinist who do not hold this view or are there others out there too.
Oh well there's lots of latter day fringe spin-off doctrines out there. An aspect many have in common is that they're the specially enlightend chosen elect remnant. Which is appealing to the ego.
Not so.Did Jesus tell those Jews in Jn.8 do not worry, I have taken away all sin.It is plainly stated in The Bible, Jesus took away the sin of the world believers and unbelievers.
Does God who is Holy pour out His wrath?
Can God be said to be Holy if He does not pour out His Wrath upon all sin?
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Not so.Did Jesus tell those Jews in Jn.8 do not worry, I have taken away all sin.
Those too have had spin-off doctrines over the centuries. Many can be pinned down to the year they emerged and or become official.I would have thought Catholics and other Orthodox beliefs would have not held that view. I hear from these groups a lot of talk about committing mortal sins that will send one to hell. Example a person (believer) who takes their own life, is said to have committed a mortal sin and will go to hell.
In reality though, i see anyone who applies the condition of repentance of sin, for eternal life salvation, must not believe all sin has been forgiven.
Not so.Did Jesus tell those Jews in Jn.8 do not worry, I have taken away all sin.
He hadn't been crucified and resurrected yet.Not so.Did Jesus tell those Jews in Jn.8 do not worry, I have taken away all sin.
I think it started in Calvinism.Is it only Reformed/Calvinist who do not hold this view or are there others out there too.
Your order does not follow scripture.Jesus has taken away every man's sin. But man must choose righteousness over sin. Who are the children of the devil? Those who desire sin more than truth.
John 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do.
John 14:21-24 He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him." Judas (not Iscariot) said to Him, "Lord, how is it that You will manifest Yourself to us, and not to the world?" Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me.See the above order of salvation:
- God gives His command, even the command of faith (John 6:29)
- Man either loves the command or hates it
- If a man loves the commandments God will come to that man, reveal Himself
- If the man despises the grace and forbearance of God i.e loves his sins, his eyes remain closed.
At the Great White Throne Judgment, the unbelievers will be cast into second death to be eternally punished.Each and every sin will be punished.Your going to have to give more direction to John 8 as to what you are pointing to, in saying did Jesus tell those Jews.
Are you speaking about the woman and the accusation of adultery.
But either way, seems like you do not understand what is meant by Jesus taking away the sin of the world. It is not saying that people are no longer sinners or that there are no consequence's to a person's sin. There is physical and mental consequence's to peoples sin, sin can even cause one to lose their life. Sin can even cause one to reject God, etc...but ones sin does not causes one to eventually end up in the lake of fire. They end up there because they never believed in The Messiah for God's free gift of Eternal Life.
What is meant by Jesus taking away the sin of the world is that, sin is not a factor in whether a person believes in The Messiah for God's free gift of Eternal Life or not.
That is why God can offer Eternal Life free to any person who wants Eternal Life. God's only condition is that a person must believe in The Messiah, The Son of God for Eternal Life. Sin or the repentance of sin is not a condition to receive Eternal Life.
Why because Jesus The Messiah took away the sin of the world. Even when unbelievers are judged, they are not judged for their sins. But for their works at the great white throne, sins are never brought up.
Being apart from God is an eternal punishment, but they will be punished for all their sins.I tend to take a different view on it to most people. I see it more as sin cannot exist in the presence of God so is kept separated from him. The greatest punishment in my eyes is no more than being kept separated from the perfect love of God and knowing what you are missing. The rest of it is little more than just making you think you could have been in the perfect love of God where the joy of being in His presence makes you want to cry out in worship, love and joy.
I like analogies, so this is how I might explain it to someone. Imagine, say, someone has a nuclear bunker and has it set up really nicely. They invite everyone they know to join them if its ever needed, but you think you know better and tell them you dont want anything to do with them and you dont believe in the bunker. The bunker owner accepts their decision and tells them they will abide by it as that is what they want.
Then one day the sirens go off but and you try to get in but they say away from me, you didnt want to know and I have filled it with people who did want to accept it. Then as the bombs fall and you burn in the fire you see through a window they are partying and having the time of their lives celebrating their being saved from the bombs. The regret you would feel would be like a tiny fraction of the regret people will feel when they realise they have been separated from God. That, to me, is their biggest punishment. And in my mind at least it shows how a loving God can punish sinners.
A defiled conscience should serve as a major red flag.Sin is its own punishment.
Your order does not follow scripture.
You are constructing something that will never happen.Rom8:7
At the Great White Throne Judgment, the unbelievers will be cast into second death to be eternally punished.Each and every sin will be punished.
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