Doctrine that Adds to Scripture

[Fidelibus]

If I need your help in knowledge I will certainly ask you.

Ha-Ha..... As is your usual fashion Major1, you disregard the more difficult questions/assignments people ask of you. Like what ConcreteCamper just did.

I would encourage you to research when the term "Roman Catholic" was first used, Who first used it and why, and then report back to us all and correct this comment.

Result........Silence.


And what I've asked of you for the forth or fifth time.


"As a person that self admittedly accepts the doctrine of Sola Scriptura.... could you please show where "exactly" in Scripture that it guarantees that you "personally" will be given an accurate understanding of the Bible?"

 

[bbbbbbb]

Ha-Ha..... As is your usual fashion Major1, you disregard the more difficult questions/assignments people ask of you. Like what ConcreteCamper just did.

Result........Silence.

And what I've asked of you for the forth or fifth time.

"As a person that self admittedly accepts the doctrine of Sola Scriptura.... could you please show where "exactly" in Scripture that it guarantees that you "personally" will be given an accurate understanding of the Bible?"

John 16:13 But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. 14 He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you.

 

[Phil 1:21]

To this I would also add the retrenchment from foreign missions. In the nineteenth century the Protestant churches, especially those in Great Britain and the United States effectively developed an outreach for the gospel that actively engaged most of the world. It was no exaggeration when Reginald Heber wrote the stirring hymn, "From Greenland's Icy Mountains to India's Coral Strand".

Today foreign outreach is minimal, at best, in most churches. When one examines their budgets, the vast amount goes to paying for lavish facilities and the salaries of a bloated staff of ministers. Typically, missions get the last scraps of the budget as a sop to history. In most cases it is significantly less than 1% of the budget.

Do we actually believe that "there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name given among men by which we must be saved"? Or, have we succumbed to the fuzzy sort of universalism which earnestly hopes that God will not send those good, sincere heathen who worship to the best of their ability and knowledge a god who may actually be God? Even the Catholic Church has caved into this mentality. It is all-pervasive.

So much agreed! The great commission wasn't about pew warming for an hour a week saying "yup" to each other.

 

[Fidelibus]

John 16:13 But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. 14 He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you.

And where in Scripture does it say you can find the pillar and bulwark of this truth?

 

[Wolf_Says]

If I need your help in knowledge I will certainly ask you.

I am not a hater of anyone. I just tell the truth and sometimes people, like you for example do not like to here it. You see you have been brainwashed for so long you can not grasp the reality all around you.

People in the church find justification for idolatry, for Sabbath-breaking, for murder, lying, stealing, homosexual activity and pornography and when confronted with the facts of reality........."it is what others have been doing for 500 years".

It was no accident that James writes in James 4:1, "From whence come wars. . . ." ?
God's people making war? They were. Those things can creep into the church and into us individually if we allow them. We are seeing that right here in our conversations with each other as they are progressively becoming more and more personal and confrontational.

Did you ever hear of Jesus using any of those methods to solve His problems?

He said, "I always do the will of My Father."

He did not resort to aggressive behavior and slander.

The gospels say that "He trusted no man," and He kept Himself separate from them spiritually even though He was among them constantly, healing, teaching, and receiving abuse and persecution because He was peculiar to them and a threat. How did He threaten them? By making them face up to their justifications, and their lies to themselves.

Major...major....major

The more you talk, the clearer it becomes that you honestly have NO CLUE what it is that you are talking about, and you begin to sound more and more cultish.

"the reality all around you..." Really?

If you could so please show us how Catholics are "brainwashed" as you like to put it, and then please, show us HOW you have come to these conclusions.

Maybe then we could actually discuss what the Catholic Church teaches as opposed to what you BELIEVE it teaches, then cross reference this with historical documents and scripture. However, all I expect from you is silence, as you so kindly gave in another thread of yours when pressured with my reply.

You, so kindly stated, that you only read the first line and stopped. Not quiet what I would expect from somebody claiming to be so "knowledgeable".

Fact is, you clearly seem to hate the Catholic Church, and refuse to debate anybody in it without mudslinging, even when offered up the chance to have that said debate.

You immediately believe that those who agree with you are "true" and those who disagree are "brainwashed" or "less knowledgeable" than yourself. This ego of yours has only been your downfall, and anybody here that is ACTUALLY knowledgeable about these subjects can see through it.

You throw the words "circular reasoning" out at @concretecamper and yet you claim to hold to Sola Scripture, which is circular reasoning in a nutshell.

My olive branch still stands, should you wonder. I have no idea why you are scared of it, but it still stands.

 

[concretecamper]

John 16:13 But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. 14 He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you.

Using Majors own logic against him, where in this passage does it say that He will disclose anything to Major?

Context, He was talking to the first Bishops of the Church....no every self proclaimed theologian or even pastor Billy Bob

 

[bbbbbbb]

Using Majors own logic against him, where in this passage does it say that He will disclose anything to Major?

Context, He was talking to the first Bishops of the Church....no every self proclaimed theologian or even pastor Billy Bob

How about apostle Paul? Jesus never said that to him, did He? Or any of the Popes, other than Peter. You are on a very slippery slope here when you deny the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

 

[concretecamper]

How about apostle Paul? Jesus never said that to him, did He? Or any of the Popes, other than Peter. You are on a very slippery slope here when you deny the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

I never denied His guidance.

 

[bbbbbbb]

I never denied His guidance.

You most assuredly did. You explicitly mocked the idea that Major1 could be personally guided by the Holy Spirit.

 

[concretecamper]

You most assuredly did. You explicitly mocked the idea that Major1 could be personally guided by the Holy Spirit.

No, I said scripture doesn't say he is

 

[bbbbbbb]

No, I said scripture doesn't say he is

And my point was that, taking a very literal interpretation, scripture excludes everyone except the eleven Apostles. If you crack open the interpretive door for anyone else, then who is to say Major1 is excluded?

 

[concretecamper]

And my point was that, taking a very literal interpretation, scripture excludes everyone except the eleven Apostles. If you crack open the interpretive door for anyone else, then who is to say Major1 is excluded?

No, your point was I was making fun of major. I shut that down and now your on to something else. Tiring to say the least

 

[bbbbbbb]

No, your point was I was making fun of major. I shut that down and now your on to something else. Tiring to say the least

Where did I accuse you of making fun of Major1? I merely exposed your taunt for what it was.

 

[concretecamper]

 

[concretecamper]

If you crack open the interpretive door for anyone else, then who is to say Major1 is excluded?

Using the newly created rule of "implied truth" maybe he does hear the Spirit. We will never know

 

[bbbbbbb]

Sweet dreams.

 

[Major1]

Major...major....major

The more you talk, the clearer it becomes that you honestly have NO CLUE what it is that you are talking about, and you begin to sound more and more cultish.

"the reality all around you..." Really?

If you could so please show us how Catholics are "brainwashed" as you like to put it, and then please, show us HOW you have come to these conclusions.

Maybe then we could actually discuss what the Catholic Church teaches as opposed to what you BELIEVE it teaches, then cross reference this with historical documents and scripture. However, all I expect from you is silence, as you so kindly gave in another thread of yours when pressured with my reply.

You, so kindly stated, that you only read the first line and stopped. Not quiet what I would expect from somebody claiming to be so "knowledgeable".

Fact is, you clearly seem to hate the Catholic Church, and refuse to debate anybody in it without mudslinging, even when offered up the chance to have that said debate.

You immediately believe that those who agree with you are "true" and those who disagree are "brainwashed" or "less knowledgeable" than yourself. This ego of yours has only been your downfall, and anybody here that is ACTUALLY knowledgeable about these subjects can see through it.

You throw the words "circular reasoning" out at @concretecamper and yet you claim to hold to Sola Scripture, which is circular reasoning in a nutshell.

My olive branch still stands, should you wonder. I have no idea why you are scared of it, but it still stands.

I am LOL!

What the Catholic church teaches is available for anyone who wants to know.

I never claimed to be more knowledgeable than anyone else, in fact I have said just the opposite. I have said and do so again, I am nothing more than an old country boy from NA. YOU my friend just added whatever you wanted to add.

I do not have an ego and I have said over and over again that YOU or no one else has to agree with anything I say.

There is as I said no reason to speak privately with you. Even as your recent post show, you have no desire or ability to talk about the subject of this thread and instead are only focused on how you can make personal comments and twist what is NOT said so as to make others look bad according to you.

 

[Major1]

And where in Scripture does it say you can find the pillar and bulwark of this truth?

What your answer shows is that no matter what is given to you as an answer, it is never enough for you. Even when the Scriptures are given to you, you can not accept them.

Your only comment and only debate skill is to be argumenitive and I for one am just not going to participate in such nonsense.

If you would like to speak to the subject of the thread I am happy to talk with you but this back and forth........"I got ya" attitude is unacceptable for me.

The 1st sentence of the ops thread is....................
"If a local church has statements of belief that it admits go beyond the essentials (those core beliefs that unite us all in Christ), have they added to scripture? Are they no longer gathering around the Gospel, and instead gathering around their own specific system of thinking?"

Do YOU have any input on that subject???????

 

[Major1]

Using the newly created rule of "implied truth" maybe he does hear the Spirit. We will never know

I am saddened that a man of your intellect does not know of the theological process of "Implied Truth".

Not only that, but I am perplexed as to why you think that it is necessary and acceptable to mock those who do know about this process.

You are a Catholic believer so you as such believe in the doctrine of the Trinity.
However the real truth is that without the process of "Implied Truth" there would not be a doctrine of the Trinity at all. The word Trinity is not found in the Bible at all.

May I say to you that the ultimate issue is and has always been, does the biblical evidence support the doctrine which is in question? Now, the fact is that If biblical evidence supports it, we can know it is true.
Comprehending it is another matter.

Now should be bothered by this fact. NO!!!! Why? Because God’s Word tells us that we should expect His revelation, the revelation of an infinite, omniscient, all-wise Creator, to contain an infinite depth that corresponds to His infinite mind.

In Isaiah 55:8-9, God tells us about this and says:...............
“For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Neither are your ways My ways,” declares the LORD. “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts”.

What then does that fact say to your inability of understanding the process of Implied Truth???

I do hope that we can get to a point of better communication instead of this childish banter that is all personal and never ever speaks to the heart of the thread.

 

[Major1]

To this I would also add the retrenchment from foreign missions. In the nineteenth century the Protestant churches, especially those in Great Britain and the United States effectively developed an outreach for the gospel that actively engaged most of the world. It was no exaggeration when Reginald Heber wrote the stirring hymn, "From Greenland's Icy Mountains to India's Coral Strand".

Today foreign outreach is minimal, at best, in most churches. When one examines their budgets, the vast amount goes to paying for lavish facilities and the salaries of a bloated staff of ministers. Typically, missions get the last scraps of the budget as a sop to history. In most cases it is significantly less than 1% of the budget.

Do we actually believe that "there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name given among men by which we must be saved"? Or, have we succumbed to the fuzzy sort of universalism which earnestly hopes that God will not send those good, sincere heathen who worship to the best of their ability and knowledge a god who may actually be God? Even the Catholic Church has caved into this mentality. It is all-pervasive.

Excellent observation and I completely agree!

It seems to me that today, it is more important for the church to have great ornaments and decorations and the leaders be ordained in expensive cloths and live in million dollar homes while the children of some countries have never owned a pair of shoes.