"Do your research"

[sfs]

But isn't science more than just empirical observation?

Sure. Scientists apply all kinds of sophisticated approaches to analyze those observations, and various methods to manipulate the conditions under which they make those observations. But the core is always empirical observations. Of course, that's the same core that auto mechanics, doctors, plumbers, and electricians rely on. That's because it's only through empirical observation that we have any idea what's going on around us in the real world. When someone like you comes along, someone who denies the validity of observations, we tend not to pay a lot of attention to them because there's no reason to think their beliefs are connected to reality.

 

[tas8831]

If I may, for a moment: when someone claims to do their own research they take on the mantle of a researcher. And, sadly, researchers know that their primary job is to ALWAYS be able and willing to produce their research. They write endless papers about every jot and tittle of their research.

So when someone says "do your own research" when they are questioned they are NOT ACTING LIKE A REAL RESEARCHER. Since a real researcher wouldn't say that.

It is people just wanting to PLAY scientists rather than BE scientists.

Good point.
Someone asks me for evidence/citation, I give it or explain why I can't. I guess I could just say "do your research" and smugly scamper off.

 

[tas8831]

Why do creationists have to speak out of both sides of their mouths. On the one hand God cleaned it up. But on the other hand there's evidence for it everywhere, geologists et al are just too blind/stupid see it. So which is it? Is there evidence or isn't there? Pick one and stick with it.

I second this!

 

[tas8831]

One scientist against evolution disproves the theory

Amazing how that only seems to work for things that religious conservatives are against...
Hence, anyone with a PhD or an MD after their name who is "against" things like Covid or Evolution is now a 'world leading expert' on these issues and thus unimpeachably correct, and all others incorrect.
Like magic.

 

[tas8831]

Well at least science has some evidence upon which to base those extrapolations. Theology uses the same methodology, only without the evidence.

THIS.

 

[AV1611VET]

I second this!

I'm not sure why he addressed that to me, as I'm second to none here saying there is no evidence for the Flood.

HOWEVER, if pressed, I will use white cliffs and meandering streams as things left behind.

That is, God swept up the coccolithophores into piles and ordered the waters to a siphoning point by way of serpentine paths to purposely etch Satan's profile into it; but I don't consider that "talking out of both sides of my mouth."

 

[Astrid]

Amazing how that only seems to work for things that religious conservatives are against...
Hence, anyone with a PhD or an MD after their name who is "against" things like Covid or Evolution is now a 'world leading expert' on these issues and thus unimpeachably correct, and all others incorrect.
Like magic.

I hear they have the vote

 

[sjastro]

I'm not sure why he addressed that to me, as I'm second to none here saying there is no evidence for the Flood.

HOWEVER, if pressed, I will use white cliffs and meandering streams as things left behind.

That is, God swept up the coccolithophores into piles and ordered the waters to a siphoning point by way of serpentine paths to purposely etch Satan's profile into it; but I don't consider that "talking out of both sides of my mouth."

 

[AV1611VET]

*

Do you mind interpreting for me what I'm looking at?

For example, what's that part about God erasing evidence of global flood by removing sedimentation?

How do you know He didn't leave it there, and a local flood removed it later?

 

[Astrid]

Faked all the detail in the layering of
polar ice too.

 

[AV1611VET]

Faked all the detail in the layering of polar ice too.

Faked all that stuff, then detailed what He did, when He did it, why He did it, where He did it, how He did it, what order He did it in, how long it took Him to do it, and who the eyewitnesses were.

Then preserved His documentation for all generations to read?

We will even be judging the angels with It.

 

[sjastro]

Do you mind interpreting for me what I'm looking at?

For example, what's that part about God erasing evidence of global flood by removing sedimentation?

How do you know He didn't leave it there, and a local flood removed it later?

Have you forgotten the history behind this image which is a geological map of where I live.
It's my standard refutation image for creationists who argue the global flood is supported by global sedimentation.
Since you have forgotten here is a reminder; the yellow layer code Qpe is a sedimentary layer, the code Qvn is a basaltic rock layer formed by larva flows from nearby volcanoes which are now extinct.
There is no sedimentation in this region.

It was you that came up with the nonsensical idea the absence of sedimentation in this region is because God decided to remove the evidence.
If this was the case he did a poor job because as he left sedimentation around the You Yangs which is a granite intrusion represented on the left hand side of the map.

 

[Ophiolite]

That is, God swept up the coccolithophores into piles and ordered the waters to a siphoning point by way of serpentine paths to purposely etch Satan's profile into it; but I don't consider that "talking out of both sides of my mouth."

No, indeed. I thought another orifice might be involved.

 

[AV1611VET]

It was you that came up with the nonsensical idea the absence of sedimentation in this region is because God decided to remove the evidence.

You must have me mixed up with someone else.

If there is sedimentation there now that wasn't there right after the Flood, then said sedimentation could have gotten there by some other means.

If there is no sedimentation there now that was there right after the Flood, then perhaps a local Flood removed it.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, indeed. I thought another orifice might be involved.

Yup -- "recalcitrant".

You're being true to your caption.

I'll give you that much.

 

[sjastro]

You must have me mixed up with someone else.

If there is sedimentation there now that wasn't there right after the Flood, then said sedimentation could have gotten there by some other means.

If there is no sedimentation there now that was there right after the Flood, then perhaps a local Flood removed it.

You can deny making the claim but you have made it perfectly clear God has cleaned up the evidence.
Once again the actual evidence destroys your 'what if maybe' style of argument.
In the sedimentary layer there are fossilized remains of marine life such as shark teeth so the clearly the flood is not local.
Given the remains are fossilized the flood which created this sedimentary layer must be at least 10000 years old.
The global flood in the Bible is considerably younger so where is the evidence of the sedimentary layer associated with this flood?
If God destroyed the evidence then why did he leave evidence of the older flood containing the fossils?

 

[AV1611VET]

You can deny making the claim but you have made it perfectly clear God has cleaned up the evidence.

Either that, or I made it perfectly clear that God cleaned up the mess.

You still don't understand, do you?

You just can't get it out of your head that God did all this for legitimate reasons, can you?

You're trying so hard to make Him look like a criminal, that you're making yourself look bad.

 

[Ophiolite]

You can deny making the claim but you have made it perfectly clear God has cleaned up the evidence.
Once again the actual evidence destroys your 'what if maybe' style of argument.
In the sedimentary layer there are fossilized remains of marine life such as shark teeth so the clearly the flood is not local.
Given the remains are fossilized the flood which created this sedimentary layer must be at least 10000 years old.
The global flood in the Bible is considerably younger so where is the evidence of the sedimentary layer associated with this flood?
If God destroyed the evidence then why did he leave evidence of the older flood containing the fossils?

It's pointless to interact with him. I've known this for years, but periodically fall into the trap. He is a de facto troll. He doesn't intend that, but the effect is indistinguishable from that of a true troll. The best solution is to move to Tonga and hope another volcanic eruption breaks the internet connection again.

 

[sjastro]

It's pointless to interact with him. I've known this for years, but periodically fall into the trap. He is a de facto troll. He doesn't intend that, but the effect is indistinguishable from that of a true troll. The best solution is to move to Tonga and hope another volcanic eruption breaks the internet connection again.

I realize it is a futile effort and my posts are intended for the lurkers out there who might be undecided.

 

[sjastro]

Either that, or I made it perfectly clear that God cleaned up the mess.

You still don't understand, do you?

You just can't get it out of your head that God did all this for legitimate reasons, can you?

You're trying so hard to make Him look like a criminal, that you're making yourself look bad.

I will go by the science any day instead of the opinion of an individual who can’t even interpret the Bible correctly and reads their own bias into Scripture.

Here is the science with the meaning of the geological codes illustrated below.

On the left hand side of the map are Ordovician sedimentary layers label codes Omd, Oly, Ola and Olc dated circa 450 million years ago and deposited when the region formed part of a seafloor.

The exposed granite intrusion labeled code Dug which worked its way through the existing Ordovician sedimentary layers during the Devonian period circa 400 million years ago.

The layer Qvn is a basalt layer formed from the eruption of Mt Anakie in the north west circa 1.5 million years ago.

The sedimentary layer Qpe began forming from the period circa 1 million years ago to 15,000 years ago and caused by erosion and transportation of deposits via gravity.

In the Qvn basalt layer there is absolutely no evidence of overlaying sedimentation in the last 1.5 million years that could be attributed to mechanisms such as floods.

It’s not the science that makes God look like a criminal; it’s your own psychological projection at work at labelling individuals particularly scientists for being crooks for having a different POV to your own.