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Well the math in Matthew 25 and Revelation 20 is subtraction not addition.
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Well the math in Matthew 25 and Revelation 20 is subtraction not addition.Pure math! The mass made sinners, the mass made righteous. Was the dreaded "U' word mentioned in my response?
People spiritually dead doesn't mean having no consciousness. It means separation from God. Some people are "dead" while they live. 1 Timothy 5:6Dead people can't choose.
Sorry for the length. With all the questions here , the best way is to actually learn the text and conduct an expository examination.I think this is too much to go through. Referring to your recent posts. Isn't it better if you explain this by your own words?
It was for all circumcised males and their families. The chosen nation and people. But it was not for the unbelieving Gentile nations.I will ask you, was the blood sprinkled for the whole Israel or only for those people in Israel that were saved?
Thanks . Never made that connection of 1 Peter 1. Still amazes me....the Gospel on every page.Anyone sprinkled with the blood meant their sins were covered by the sacrifice.
Peter uses that term in describing the elect in 1 Peter 1.
Now WHO does the sprinkling? Who obtains it? Why do they get sprinkled? This does not just fall on everybody.
The elect are sprinkled by Christs blood and only the elect, so only the saved get sprinkled and have their sins covered by Christ's blood. The unbelieving world dies in their sins.
1 Peter 1 New King James Version (NKJV)
Greeting to the Elect Pilgrims
1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,
To the [a]pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 2 elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:
Grace to you and peace be multiplied.
I don't want to post long chapters again so I will post links. Let me know what you think reading the following chapters :You said something that may have clicked. Remember when He tell His disciples that you are clean because of the word spoken to them. It says it is the Spirit that gives life. Those words that He had spoken He said were Spirit and life. So then can it be since the gospel is the power unto salvation. Anyone who hears the word is cleansed ?is this the quikening by the Spirit?
They don't hear eh? "Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light." Ephesians 5 Well they're being spoken to so they hear. If they choose to come awake God will cause them to arise from the dead and THEN he'll illuminate them...Christ then will give them LIGHT.How can children of wrath who are spiritually dead in their trespasses accomplish this feat. The dead don't hear. They are dead.
Well said!I would disagree! Those people who come to Christ, come not because they are born of God, but to be born of God.
I think you misunderstand the concept of spiritual death. It is not the same as physical death. Unless you are an annihilationist (many are). Unlike physical death, where the physical body simply ceases to exist, the spiritual body continues in eternity, whether "alive" in the presence of God, or "dead" separated from Him. And no I don't believe I inherited Adam's sin. I inherited his sin nature, but I was created in the image and likeness of God, so I am not totally depraved. I am capable of making a choice to believe and obey, or not. It was when I made that choice that His grace was imparted to me, when I put on Christ it was then that my old spirit of death (separation from God) was itself put to death, and I arose a new spiritual creature, no longer separated (dead) from Him but now united with Him (alive) through His blood. It is that blood that continues to cleanse me of all my sins, provided I continue in the Faith and walk in the Light.
Same choice Joshua made and challenged Israel to make. Choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve.
But they are dead.
Who is sinless?
Nah, they come to Christ to be sealed in the Holy Spirit unto the Day of the redemption of the purchased possession. And this is according To God's purpose and will for the individual.Well said!
To awake and rise from the dead means to be born from above, of God.They don't hear eh? "Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light." Ephesians 5 Well they're being spoken to so they hear. If they choose to come awake God will cause them to arise from the dead and THEN he'll illuminate them...Christ then will give them LIGHT.
Did I miss your exegesis on the subject?
A most unkind post. How many of the brethren have you offended with the above post?
How do you handle the calling before all that?John 6:44-45 says that hearing the spirit and learning of the father happen before coming to Christ. That was definitely my experience.
I don't think so. Justification is based on the Righteousness of Christ.With looking at Chapter 4 Verse 22-25
It begs the question of when is man truly justified before God and can He be more than once born from above?
I really like how the NIV exposes the election that Peter teaches about.I don't want to post long chapters again so I will post links. Let me know what you think reading the following chapters :
Ephesians 2 NASB
Romans 8 NASB
1 Peter 1 NASB
I think the important chapter for your question is Ephesians 2. Romans 8 is probably best if you are an engineer.1 Peter 1 is just plain blunt like Peter and why I like it.
Just a sidebar but in reference to what you said about being spiritually dead. When God warned Adam of the consequences of eating the forbidden fruit he says you shall surely die. In the Hebrew it more literally reads, dieting you shall die. It's kind of like when the Bible speaks of spiritual darkness, it's seldom pitch black. The curse of sin and death isn't an execution, it's a slow poisonI don't think so. Justification is based on the Righteousness of Christ.
Since it's a description of the atonement, it's a very central chapter of the Bible. Do your best to explain the whole, or just a part of Romans 5.
Yes we are responsible for every action we make bad or good. In Romans 6, however, Paul says our human will is either in bondage to sin and death or in bondage to the Righteousness of God.Ok. agreed. God is active. He operates according to His will. Is the argument that man does not/cannot operate according to his will also?
I would say all of it. The whole book of Romans is a theological treatise.IMO, you cannot explain Romans 5 in context without including Romans 6.
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