Do Your Actions Speaks Louder then your knowledge?

[SabbathBlessings]

Jesus quotes the Ten Commandments including the Sabbath both in teaching and action. Mark 3:4 Mat 12:12 Mar2:27-28 Luke4:16

Regarding how the Holy Spirit convicts one of sin, this is what we are told in the New Covenant

Sin is defined as breaking God's law and the law quoted is from the Ten Commandments, breaking one we break them all.

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
James 2: 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law

Which of course is why Paul said this:

Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”

The Holy Spirit convicts of sin, so He is convicting us for not keeping God's laws which is sin and anything that is not of faith, if we hear His voice Heb3:7-19.

John 16:8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

Of course all of these things are all connected to the Ten Commandments.

Sin is breaking God's laws- His righteousness which is all of His commandments Psa119:172 including the Sabbath Isa56:1-2 and His righteousness is everlasting, so cannot change Psa 119:141 as righteousness and justice are the foundation of His throne Psa 89:14 and we are judged by the Ten Commandments breaking one we break them all James 2:11-12 why God's Testimony, the Ten Commandments sits under His mercy seat Exo 25:21 revealed in heaven at the last trumpet before the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

Rev 11:15 Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The [f]kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!” 16 And the twenty-four elders who sat before God on their thrones fell on their faces and worshiped God, 17 saying:

“We give You thanks, O Lord God Almighty,
The One who is and who was [g]and who is to come,
Because You have taken Your great power and reigned.
18 The nations were angry, and Your [h]wrath has come,
And the time of the dead, that they should be judged,
And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints,
And those who fear Your name, small and great,
And should destroy those who destroy the earth.”
19 Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of [i]His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail.

Rev 15:5 After these things I looked, and behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened.
Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

John 12:48 He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him— the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.

No wonder the wisest man in the Bible said:

Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:

Fear God and keep His commandments,
For this is man’s all.
14 For God will bring every work into judgment,
Including every secret thing,
Whether good or evil.

 

[DamianWarS]

Are you not claiming that the Ten Commandments no longer means what God said they were but now mean something different according to how you are interpreting Paul? I am only repeating what you said.

Where did I say that? I've argued the use of "commandments" in 2 John 1:6 doesn't immediately envoke the 10 commandments and I used a text of Paul to show how 1 Cor 9:17 use of commandments studied alonside of Gal 5:6 and Gal 6:15 (mirror verses) shows the context is not a direct reference to the 10. Smuggling in the 10 simply because the word "commandments" is used without any other support to back this is irresponsible.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Where did I say that? I've argued the use of "commandments" in 2 John 1:6 doesn't immediately envoke the 10 commandments and I used a text of Paul to show how 1 Cor 9:17 use of commandments studied alonside of Gal 5:6 and Gal 6:15 (mirror verses) shows the context is not a direct reference to the 10. Smuggling in the 10 simply because the word "commandments" is used without any other support to back this is irresponsible.

So the commandments of God are not the Ten Commandments according to you? And is God 'smuggling" the Ten Commandments, when He personally wrote this unit of Ten collectively Deut4:13 Exo 34:28 and added no more to them Deut5:22, calling them as a unit 'My commandments" Exo 20:6? And when the God of the universe defines something, He doesn't really mean what He said and now we need to come up with alternate definitions like Gal 5:6 and Gal6:15 even though the commandments are not even a word used in these verses. I say we place our trust in Him for understanding Pro3:5-6 especially when its something God claims as His Exo20:6 Deut4:13 - and I think God would know what that is, more than us.

 

[DamianWarS]

Something else we have to understand something here, because this law Holy. Paul say in (Rom. 7:7,12) (v.7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, THOU SHALT NOT COVET. Paul asked a question, is the law sin? He said God forbid, he said the only way that he knew what sin was, was by the law. (v.12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Why in the world would a Christian want to do away with something that God said is holy.

Knowledge of moral wrong doing is not predicated on knowledge of the law. Most laws in the 10 can be naturally discovered without the aid of the articulated law itself.

For example in the 10 the first 3 are of monotheistic claim/value. Taking God's name in vain, no other gods or idols are counter-monotheistic. So long as we can agree that monotheism is naturally discoverable than so too are these laws.

Commadments 6-10 are all regarding how we treat each other telling us to not harm each other (broadly) Although laws like coveting may take a bit longer to work out these laws are universal in the sense that I don't need to be told that murding my neighbour, stealing or sleeping with his wife is unwanted and will hurt him as it would hurt me. Although we may act against this the knowledge that it is hurtful is knowable without the law.

The 5th commandment goes beyond merely not harming and is a special honor for our parents. This is observed in nature too (ducklings follow their mother, etc...) and it shouldn't be to difficult to understand that protecting those of your own clan has self preserving benefits.

The 4th is unique in that we do have to be told it in order to understand it. Even knowing the creation account is not clear enough to know how to practice the 4th commandment and natural circaseptan rhythms are too inexact to land at the precision needed to keep the 4th. Without knowledge of the 4th we cannot keep the 4th.

So if most of the 10 is naturally discoverable (except the 4th) what does Paul mean when he says "I had not known sin, but by the law". The 10 (and the law at large) was intended to show a righteous path and direct the ancient Hebrews ways. They were highly influenced by pagan cultures around them so commandments like the 10 act as a polemic to these pagan systems affirming monotheism as well as establishing a value system thst could often clash with surrounding cultures and redeeming practices to point to God (like Sabbath). The 10 and the law at large helped to calibrate and realign the Israelites away from a path of their neighbours.

I think this is what Paul's main point is in how the law shows sin. We should expect the moral laws to be naturally discoverble, but the law was established because of how the Israelites quickly lost their way and they needed a guide to know how to continue. It either way, this in not way should be used to promote isolating the 10 from the rest of law and it's a package deal.

Gal 3:24-26
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

These are Paul's words too. Paul does not call the law sin as he doesn't in his point in Romansbut he does show us the role of law and how that role is now under Christ/Holy Spirit to guide us rather than the law which is what was needed for Israel to know sin/the path to walk but it is not needed for us because we have direct access to Christ, to whom the law points too.

Your post doesn't help this agenda driven search-and-replace sentiment in scripture that wherever the word "commandments" is found, it must mean the 10 commandments (unless of course I don't like it then it means something else). It irresponsible and doesn't give me a lot of confidence in your methodologies.

 

[DamianWarS]

So the commandments of God are not the Ten Commandments according to you? And is God 'smuggling" the Ten Commandments, when He personally wrote this unit of Ten collectively Deut4:13 Exo 34:28 and added no more to them Deut5:22, calling them as a unit 'My commandments" Exo 20:6? And when the God of the universe defines something, He doesn't really mean what He said and now need to come up with alternate definitions like Gal 5:6 and Gal6:15 even through the commandments are not even a word used in these verses instead of trusting in Him for understanding Pro3:5-6

So the commandments of God in the NT do not include the Ten Commandments and means something else? Despite Jesus who revealed to John in Revelation this same unit of Ten in God's holy temple Rev 11:19 Rev15:5 And Gal5:6 Gal6:15 voids out 1Cor7:19 and what Jesus said Mat15:3-14 Mark7:7-13 Mat19:17-19 Mat5:19-30 who is God made flesh.

Why does NT use of "Commandments of God" require the 10 are isolated? 1 Cor 7:19, Gal 5:6, Gal 5:16 does not reveal the 10 like this, they do not void out, it is the same message in them both, they must agree with each other.

What do you think the crux of the 4th commandment is? Is it physical rest or spiritual rest? (because it certainly has both concepts in there) Paul shows how outward acts like circumcision do not immediately identify us with the spiritual or the inward and the two may be divorced from each other, his focus is on the inward often discarding the outward. Moral acts go both ways but ceremonial acts like ceremonial rest or circumcision are not the thing God cares about, he cares about a much greater rest, one that speaks light into us, and call us holy just as the 7th day is called holy.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Why does NT use of "Commandments of God" require the 10 are isolated?

Because God of the Universe defined them for us both- written and spoken and Jesus who is God made flesh did not come to destroy His own laws, but to fulfill, and it was prophesized He would come to magnify His law which means make greater, not smaller. Isa 42:21 which is exactly what He did Mat5:19-30

1 Cor 7:19, Gal 5:6, Gal 5:16 does not reveal the 10 like this, they do not void out, it is the same message in them both, they must agree with each other.

They do agree with each other as I clearly demonstrated previously


Gal 5:6
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

Does faith void the law and redefine it., Not according to Paul's plain words.

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

Does love void the law?

Not according to Jesus.
John 14:15 If you love Me, keep My commandments. Same thing He said in the Ten Commandments Exo20:6

Gal 6:15
Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation.

Is becoming a new creation mean leaving your old life of sin and walking in Christ or does it mean we are worshipping others gods, and stealing from our neighbor and breaking God's commandments which is sin 1 John3:4

Lets see what Paul says

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

So someone who has faith though love and walks in newness of life is keeping God's commandments- which is just that commandments, means its not a suggestion. His version because He is God and we are not. Its what love and faith is all about, putting what God said above our own wants, will and desires because we love Him and He loves us and this faith is what makes us a new creation in Christ and reconciles us back to God Rev22:14

What do you think the crux of the 4th commandment is? Is it physical rest or spiritual rest?

Its both, you can't have one without the other. Heb4:4,9,10 clearly shows this as by the example of Jesus applied to all of the Ten Mat5:19-30.


Just because one doesn't understand one of God's commandments doesn't make it void or can be applied different than what God said. The whole point about the greatest commandments loving God with all our heart and loving our neighbor is to put the will of others before ourselves. God first than man. God all throughout the bible spoke and even personally wrote how to keep the Sabbath, trust in Him and if we don't understand ask Him for His guidance and then have an open heart to do what He tells us. God's Spirit will never go against God's law Isa8:20 they work in harmony. John14:15-18 Acts 5:32

 

[Bro.T]

Knowledge of moral wrong doing is not predicated on knowledge of the law. Most laws in the 10 can be naturally discovered without the aid of the articulated law itself.

For example in the 10 the first 3 are of monotheistic claim/value. Taking God's name in vain, no other gods or idols are counter-monotheistic. So long as we can agree that monotheism is naturally discoverable than so too are these laws.

Commadments 6-10 are all regarding how we treat each other telling us to not harm each other (broadly) Although laws like coveting may take a bit longer to work out these laws are universal in the sense that I don't need to be told that murding my neighbour, stealing or sleeping with his wife is unwanted and will hurt him as it would hurt me. Although we may act against this the knowledge that it is hurtful is knowable without the law.

The 5th commandment goes beyond merely not harming and is a special honor for our parents. This is observed in nature too (ducklings follow their mother, etc...) and it shouldn't be to difficult to understand that protecting those of your own clan has self preserving benefits.

The 4th is unique in that we do have to be told it in order to understand it. Even knowing the creation account is not clear enough to know how to practice the 4th commandment and natural circaseptan rhythms are too inexact to land at the precision needed to keep the 4th. Without knowledge of the 4th we cannot keep the 4th.

So if most of the 10 is naturally discoverable (except the 4th) what does Paul mean when he says "I had not known sin, but by the law". The 10 (and the law at large) was intended to show a righteous path and direct the ancient Hebrews ways. They were highly influenced by pagan cultures around them so commandments like the 10 act as a polemic to these pagan systems affirming monotheism as well as establishing a value system thst could often clash with surrounding cultures and redeeming practices to point to God (like Sabbath). The 10 and the law at large helped to calibrate and realign the Israelites away from a path of their neighbours.

I think this is what Paul's main point is in how the law shows sin. We should expect the moral laws to be naturally discoverble, but the law was established because of how the Israelites quickly lost their way and they needed a guide to know how to continue. It either way, this in not way should be used to promote isolating the 10 from the rest of law and it's a package deal.

Gal 3:24-26
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

These are Paul's words too. Paul does not call the law sin as he doesn't in his point in Romansbut he does show us the role of law and how that role is now under Christ/Holy Spirit to guide us rather than the law which is what was needed for Israel to know sin/the path to walk but it is not needed for us because we have direct access to Christ, to whom the law points too.

Your post doesn't help this agenda driven search-and-replace sentiment in scripture that wherever the word "commandments" is found, it must mean the 10 commandments (unless of course I don't like it then it means something else). It irresponsible and doesn't give me a lot of confidence in your methodologies.

Paul says in Romans 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. In other words if there is no law there is no sin. Sin is not imputed or no blame can be accredited to any person when there is no law. Now, let’s see what Sin is according to the Bible in I John 3:4 it states, "whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." So if the law was nailed to the cross that would mean its okay to use the Lords name in vain, put other gods before HIM, make graven images and bow before them, pollute the Sabbath day, steal, commit murder, commit adultery and bear false witness. If all these things are okay to commit, then we might as well throw the Bible out the back door and do what ever feels good to us. Today we will find out what law was nailed to the cross. We will see that Paul was in fact a law keeper and how he preached out of the Law and the Prophets.

Now let's begin by taking a look at both of the laws and how they worked together. We will see there were two laws given to Moses, they were the commandments and the sacrificial law. Watch how they worked together.

And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a soul shall sin through ignorance against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and shall do against any of them: (Leviticus 4:1-2) The law in the scriptures above is the commandments.

Notice something else very important in these two scriptures. It states, "if a soul shall sin through ignorance." Notice that the scripture did not says on purpose. Why? There is no sacrifice for a sin that is committed willfully. Let's find out what was to be done if a person committed a sin against the Lord unintentionally. Let's skip down to the 27th verse and take a look at the second law (which is the sacrificial law).

And if any one of the common people sin through ignorance, while he doeth somewhat against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and be guilty; Or if his sin, which he hath sinned, come to his knowledge: then he shall bring his offering, a kid of the goats, a female without blemish, for his sin which he hath sinned. And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the sin offering, and slay the sin offering in the place of the burnt offering. And the priest shall take of the blood thereof with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and shall pour out all the blood thereof at the bottom of the altar. (Leviticus 4:27-30)

When the common people sinned through ignorance and it came to their knowledge, what did they have to do? They brought an offering, a kid of the goats, a female without blemish, for their sin which they had committed, then the priest would offer the animal to the Lord. Think about this for a moment. If an animal was killed for a person that committed sin, what will happen to us today if we a trespass against the Lord?

We will find that out later. Now we see how the sacrificial law was used when a person broke a commandment unintentionally.

Let's go into Paul's writings and take another look at both of these laws. We will go into the Book of Galatians chapter 3. This is one of the chapters that the majority of Christian preachers use to do away with the Lord's commandments. Now, let's read carefully!

Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. (Galatians 3:19)

Take heed to what Paul's says above, "Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions." What is transgression? Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. (I John 3:4) Transgression is braking of the commandments. What law was added because of the braking of the law? The sacrificial law! Paul is simply asking these Gentiles, "why perform the sacrificial law? It was added because of sin until the seed should come. Who is the seed?

Let's back up in this chapter and find out.

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of one, and to thy seed, which is Christ. (Galatians 3:16) Who is the SEED? CHRIST! So, this law was added (which is the sacrificial law) until Christ came. What was the sacrificial law used for until Christ came? Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. (Galatians 3:24)

The sacrificial law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ. Before we continue, we must clear one thing up. Are we justified by faith alone? Let's see. Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. (Romans 3:31) What law is established? Certainly not the sacrificial law, we have seen above that it was added because of transgression until the Seed came (which was Christ). The Royal law to be established forever which are the Ten Lords commandments!

 

[Bro.T]

And then at the beginning of chapter eight after starting the chapter with “therefore” which denotes the conclusion or explanation Paul says that the law is weak and ineffective. How do you reconcile that? Even in Galatians Paul calls the law a curse as well as explaining the intent of the law which was to act as a guardian but after faith came, Paul explains, we no longer need a guardian because we walk in the Spirit. You cause tension in scripture that should not be there.

Paul says in Romans 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. In other words if there is no law there is no sin. Sin is not imputed or no blame can be accredited to any person when there is no law. Now, let’s see what Sin is according to the Bible in I John 3:4 it states, "whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." So if the law was nailed to the cross that would mean its okay to use the Lords name in vain, put other gods before HIM, make graven images and bow before them, pollute the Sabbath day, steal, commit murder, commit adultery and bear false witness. If all these things are okay to commit, then we might as well throw the Bible out the back door and do what ever feels good to us. Today we will find out what law was nailed to the cross. We will see that Paul was in fact a law keeper and how he preached out of the Law and the Prophets.

Now let's begin by taking a look at both of the laws and how they worked together. We will see there were two laws given to Moses, they were the commandments and the sacrificial law. Watch how they worked together.

And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a soul shall sin through ignorance against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and shall do against any of them: (Leviticus 4:1-2) The law in the scriptures above is the commandments.

Notice something else very important in these two scriptures. It states, "if a soul shall sin through ignorance." Notice that the scripture did not says on purpose. Why? There is no sacrifice for a sin that is committed willfully. Let's find out what was to be done if a person committed a sin against the Lord unintentionally. Let's skip down to the 27th verse and take a look at the second law (which is the sacrificial law).

And if any one of the common people sin through ignorance, while he doeth somewhat against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and be guilty; Or if his sin, which he hath sinned, come to his knowledge: then he shall bring his offering, a kid of the goats, a female without blemish, for his sin which he hath sinned. And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the sin offering, and slay the sin offering in the place of the burnt offering. And the priest shall take of the blood thereof with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and shall pour out all the blood thereof at the bottom of the altar. (Leviticus 4:27-30)

When the common people sinned through ignorance and it came to their knowledge, what did they have to do? They brought an offering, a kid of the goats, a female without blemish, for their sin which they had committed, then the priest would offer the animal to the Lord. Think about this for a moment. If an animal was killed for a person that committed sin, what will happen to us today if we a trespass against the Lord?

We will find that out later. Now we see how the sacrificial law was used when a person broke a commandment unintentionally.

Let's go into Paul's writings and take another look at both of these laws. We will go into the Book of Galatians chapter 3. This is one of the chapters that the majority of Christian preachers use to do away with the Lord's commandments. Now, let's read carefully!

Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. (Galatians 3:19)

Take heed to what Paul's says above, "Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions." What is transgression? Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. (I John 3:4) Transgression is braking of the commandments. What law was added because of the braking of the law? The sacrificial law! Paul is simply asking these Gentiles, "why perform the sacrificial law? It was added because of sin until the seed should come. Who is the seed?

Let's back up in this chapter and find out.

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of one, and to thy seed, which is Christ. (Galatians 3:16) Who is the SEED? CHRIST! So, this law was added (which is the sacrificial law) until Christ came. What was the sacrificial law used for until Christ came? Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. (Galatians 3:24)

The sacrificial law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ. Before we continue, we must clear one thing up. Are we justified by faith alone? Let's see. Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. (Romans 3:31) What law is established? Certainly not the sacrificial law, we have seen above that it was added because of transgression until the Seed came (which was Christ). The Royal law to be established forever which are the Ten Lords commandments!

 

[Hentenza]

Paul says in Romans 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. In other words if there is no law there is no sin. Sin is not imputed or no blame can be accredited to any person when there is no law. Now, let’s see what Sin is according to the Bible in I John 3:4 it states, "whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." So if the law was nailed to the cross that would mean its okay to use the Lords name in vain, put other gods before HIM, make graven images and bow before them, pollute the Sabbath day, steal, commit murder, commit adultery and bear false witness. If all these things are okay to commit, then we might as well throw the Bible out the back door and do what ever feels good to us.

This is the typical fallacy from the legalists. Here is what you missed from the start. The moral commandments of the Jewish law including the Ten Commandments were summarized in Jesus’s two commandments.

“Upon these two commandments hang the whole Law and the Prophets.””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭22‬:‭40‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Matthew 22:40 Upon these two commandments hang the whole Law and the Prophets.” | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

Upon these two commandments hang the whole Law and the Prophets.”

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Which law and which prophets do you think Jesus is talking about? It says ALL of it not just some of it.

“For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.””
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5‬:‭14‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Galatians 5:14 For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, “YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.” | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, “YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.”

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The WHOLE LAW was fulfilled (completed) in ONE word. All of the law is now one word in the one commandment. Pretty cool that Jesus can put all 613 laws including the 10 commandments into one word. I guess that is what happens when Jesus is the only one that was ever able to keep it perfectly therefore nailing all of it to the cross.

If you want to stay in the law then go right ahead but the rest of us will live by the Spirit which is now the one that convicts us of our sins.

Tell me BroT, are those under the law able to confess their sin in order to be forgiven? Were the Jews under the law able to do that? Let me explain to you how is done after Christ sacrifice for the propitiation of our sins. It’s simple really.


“If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous, so that He will forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.”
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1 John 1:8-10 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous, so that He will forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all | New American Standard Bible - NAS

If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous, so that He will forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all

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With Jesus we still sin but ALL we have to do now is just confess our sins and He is faithful and forgives us. Can people under the law do that ? Of course not. But, you ask, how do we know that we are sinning without the law? Well, Jesus tells us of course.

“But I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I am leaving; for if I do not leave, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you. And He, when He comes, will convict the world regarding sin, and righteousness, and judgment: regarding sin, because they do not believe in Me; and regarding righteousness, because I am going to the Father and you no longer are going to see Me; and regarding judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.”
‭‭John‬ ‭16‬:‭7‬-‭11‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

John 16:7-11 But I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I am leaving; for if I do not leave, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you. And He, when He comes, will convict th | New American Standard Bible - NASB

But I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I am leaving; for if I do not leave, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you. And He, when He comes, will convict th

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Look the Helper that Jesus is sending, the Holy Spirit, will take the responsibility of convicting us of our sins. Why? Because we still sin just like you do and I do, but the good news is that we no longer LIVE in sin because of the guidance of the Spirit. Why would we need the law if we have something much better?

Since you started with the wrong assumptions and foundation then the rest of your argument in your post is equally wrong. Let’s get through this first.

 

[DamianWarS]

Paul says in Romans 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. In other words if there is no law there is no sin. Sin is not imputed or no blame can be accredited to any person when there is no law. Now, let’s see what Sin is according to the Bible in I John 3:4 it states, "whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." So if the law was nailed to the cross that would mean its okay to use the Lords name in vain, put other gods before HIM, make graven images and bow before them, pollute the Sabbath day, steal, commit murder, commit adultery and bear false witness. If all these things are okay to commit, then we might as well throw the Bible out the back door and do what ever feels good to us. Today we will find out what law was nailed to the cross. We will see that Paul was in fact a law keeper and how he preached out of the Law and the Prophets.

Now let's begin by taking a look at both of the laws and how they worked together. We will see there were two laws given to Moses, they were the commandments and the sacrificial law. Watch how they worked together.

And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a soul shall sin through ignorance against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and shall do against any of them: (Leviticus 4:1-2) The law in the scriptures above is the commandments.

Notice something else very important in these two scriptures. It states, "if a soul shall sin through ignorance." Notice that the scripture did not says on purpose. Why? There is no sacrifice for a sin that is committed willfully. Let's find out what was to be done if a person committed a sin against the Lord unintentionally. Let's skip down to the 27th verse and take a look at the second law (which is the sacrificial law).

And if any one of the common people sin through ignorance, while he doeth somewhat against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and be guilty; Or if his sin, which he hath sinned, come to his knowledge: then he shall bring his offering, a kid of the goats, a female without blemish, for his sin which he hath sinned. And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the sin offering, and slay the sin offering in the place of the burnt offering. And the priest shall take of the blood thereof with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and shall pour out all the blood thereof at the bottom of the altar. (Leviticus 4:27-30)

When the common people sinned through ignorance and it came to their knowledge, what did they have to do? They brought an offering, a kid of the goats, a female without blemish, for their sin which they had committed, then the priest would offer the animal to the Lord. Think about this for a moment. If an animal was killed for a person that committed sin, what will happen to us today if we a trespass against the Lord?

We will find that out later. Now we see how the sacrificial law was used when a person broke a commandment unintentionally.

Let's go into Paul's writings and take another look at both of these laws. We will go into the Book of Galatians chapter 3. This is one of the chapters that the majority of Christian preachers use to do away with the Lord's commandments. Now, let's read carefully!

Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. (Galatians 3:19)

Take heed to what Paul's says above, "Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions." What is transgression? Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. (I John 3:4) Transgression is braking of the commandments. What law was added because of the braking of the law? The sacrificial law! Paul is simply asking these Gentiles, "why perform the sacrificial law? It was added because of sin until the seed should come. Who is the seed?

Let's back up in this chapter and find out.

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of one, and to thy seed, which is Christ. (Galatians 3:16) Who is the SEED? CHRIST! So, this law was added (which is the sacrificial law) until Christ came. What was the sacrificial law used for until Christ came? Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. (Galatians 3:24)

The sacrificial law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ. Before we continue, we must clear one thing up. Are we justified by faith alone? Let's see. Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. (Romans 3:31) What law is established? Certainly not the sacrificial law, we have seen above that it was added because of transgression until the Seed came (which was Christ). The Royal law to be established forever which are the Ten Lords commandments!

Your argument hinges on bifurcating law, essentially elevating one over another (which is not scripturally supported). NT teaching doesn't isolate law like this; these terms we use to categorize law is not something scripture itself uses but is something the church has introduced later. What is sacrificial law over moral or ceremonial? Why is sacrificial also not moral? why is the 4th not ceremonial (since it clearly is a ceremony of rest)? Who made these terms? and why are we elevating these words over scripture? How can we be so bold to claim one law is greater than another without any scripture to back it? Christ tells us in Mat 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." so which law did he come to fulfill? he does not bifurcate law, his reference is all-inclusive. Christ already tells us what the greatest is, so should that not settel the matter? Christ's remarks of the greatest commandments in Mat 22:40 is "All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments" again he makes no effort to distinguish which law is what (apparently he doesn't discriminate law); he encompasses them all in the term "All the Law and the Prophets."

you're jumping through hoops trying to establish a hidden line that these law/commandment means the 10 where another reference to law/commandment mean the other (whatever you want to call it). What establishes one group of laws over another group of laws? Circumcision is established as a sign of the everlasting covenant between God and Abraham (Gen 17) and to his descendants. It is quite explicit, it must be done physically, otherwise the offender in a twist of irony, is cut off himself. Yet Paul calls circumcision nothing. The word for everlasting is the same word used to describe the sabbath commandment, yet we are to understand circumcision in the physical as a limited law and sabbath law (in regards to physical requirement) as a neverending law? spiritually they are both everlasting in the fullest sense, but physically they are limited. how do you reconcile these concepts?

Gal 3:19 says as you quoted, "Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions..." but a valuable part is missing. if we complete the sentence, it says "...till the seed should come to whom the promise was made" leaving this part out in your quote is disingenuous to the verse and seems a bit sneaky to be honest. It makes me suspicious that you're agenda-driven and carry too much bias to make an informed decision.

Galatiansis not just a bunch of cut and copy verses meant to be taken out of context. It's a short letter and can be easily read in one sitting, it's also Paul's earliest letter. when we read it's whole it's view of law is clearer than a cut apart single verse. for example, 5:14 is a pretty big one "For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” now which law do you suppose this points to? it says the entire law and is clearly a quote of Christ who says "All the Law and the Prophets" do you still want to say but when Paul says this law he meant something else? Do you still wish to cut up law so that you declare one as superior to the greatest commandment?

The word "greatest" is already a superlative but do you mean to suggest the 10 are greater still? I suppose you use the term as a "summary" if so please unpack that. Where is that concept based? show me in scripture how the greatest commandments Jesus speaks of is actually a summary of the 10? these are serious matters and I can't just hand wave these missing elements and pretent it's ok to fill in the blanks myself. I instead need to use what information is there to show me how to go forward.

 

[DamianWarS]

Because God of the Universe defined them for us both- written and spoken and Jesus who is God made flesh did not come to destroy His own laws, but to fulfill, and it was prophesized He would come to magnify His law which means make greater, not smaller. Isa 42:21 which is exactly what He did Mat5:19-30

you still haven't connected the dots and your argument is circular, widely conflating with the 10, placing them where you want them. where in scripture does it tell us to bifurcate law like this? I'm not looking for your tradition's views, I'm looking for support where NT teaching separates the 10 to stand alone which is what your argument hinges on.

Paul tells us the new does not void the old, Christ tells us he did not come to destory but to fulfill. you seem only to see a 10 vacuum in these cases but where is your support to treat these verses like this? Does not Christ say "all the law and the prophets" how then can you claim only the 10 forgetting the rest? Your support seems to more of the same problem, conflating terms like law and commandments, into what you want them to mean. This is not support it is bias and that's fine for your personal study so much as you allow it but it is not fine for me. I do not accept the claim that NT terms for commandments/laws is synonymous with a 10 commandment vacuum (with still exceptions) but rather look at law as a whole rather than cut up segments. I've searched myself for this link by in good faith cannot find a NT reference that establishes this 10 commandments vacuum sentiment claim. For me where there is too much speculation, I calibrate the verse on Christ's words "all the law and the prophets" over a discriminated law unless it is made clear in the text. You seem to just fill in the blank based on something else that doesn't seem to be supported by scripture.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

you still haven't connected the dots and your argument is circular, widely conflating with the 10, placing them where you want them. where in scripture does it tell us to bifurcate law like this? I'm not looking for your tradition's views, I'm looking for support where NT teaching separates the 10 to stand alone which is what your argument hinges on.

Paul tells us the new does not void the old, Christ tells us he did not come to destory but to fulfill. you seem only to see a 10 vacuum in these cases but where is your support to treat these verses like this? Does not Christ say "all the law and the prophets" how then can you claim only the 10 forgetting the rest? Your support seems to more of the same problem, conflating terms like law and commandments, into what you want them to mean. This is not support it is bias and that's fine for your personal study so much as you allow it but it is not fine for me. I do not accept the claim that NT terms for commandments/laws is synonymous with a 10 commandment vacuum (with still exceptions) but rather look at law as a whole rather than cut up segments. I've searched myself for this link by in good faith cannot find a NT reference that establishes this 10 commandments vacuum sentiment claim. For me where there is too much speculation, I calibrate the verse on Christ's words "all the law and the prophets" over a discriminated law unless it is made clear in the text. You seem to just fill in the blank based on something else that doesn't seem to be supported by scripture.

So this is a different argeuement than what we were previously discussing.

All the law and prophets means the Scriptures. It’s what the greatest commandments hangs on loving God and loving man, which did not go undefined in the Bible. Rom 13:9 Deut6:5 which Jesus quoted from right after the Ten Commandments was repeated before the Israelites were to enter their promise land (just as it will be for us Rev22:14-15)

Regarding the Ten Commandments, God’s own written and spoken Testimony, the only commandments under His mercy seat Exo 25:21 revealed in heaven Rev 11:19 Rev 15:5 that you keep calling a ‘vacuum’, will need to be between you and God since He is the One who wrote them and spoke them and claimed them as His, who we all have to answer to. John 12:48 James2:11-12

 

[Bro.T]

Your argument hinges on bifurcating law, essentially elevating one over another (which is not scripturally supported). NT teaching doesn't isolate law like this; these terms we use to categorize law is not something scripture itself uses but is something the church has introduced later. What is sacrificial law over moral or ceremonial? Why is sacrificial also not moral? why is the 4th not ceremonial (since it clearly is a ceremony of rest)? Who made these terms? and why are we elevating these words over scripture? How can we be so bold to claim one law is greater than another without any scripture to back it? Christ tells us in Mat 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." so which law did he come to fulfill? he does not bifurcate law, his reference is all-inclusive. Christ already tells us what the greatest is, so should that not settel the matter? Christ's remarks of the greatest commandments in Mat 22:40 is "All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments" again he makes no effort to distinguish which law is what (apparently he doesn't discriminate law); he encompasses them all in the term "All the Law and the Prophets."

you're jumping through hoops trying to establish a hidden line that these law/commandment means the 10 where another reference to law/commandment mean the other (whatever you want to call it). What establishes one group of laws over another group of laws? Circumcision is established as a sign of the everlasting covenant between God and Abraham (Gen 17) and to his descendants. It is quite explicit, it must be done physically, otherwise the offender in a twist of irony, is cut off himself. Yet Paul calls circumcision nothing. The word for everlasting is the same word used to describe the sabbath commandment, yet we are to understand circumcision in the physical as a limited law and sabbath law (in regards to physical requirement) as a neverending law? spiritually they are both everlasting in the fullest sense, but physically they are limited. how do you reconcile these concepts?

Gal 3:19 says as you quoted, "Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions..." but a valuable part is missing. if we complete the sentence, it says "...till the seed should come to whom the promise was made" leaving this part out in your quote is disingenuous to the verse and seems a bit sneaky to be honest. It makes me suspicious that you're agenda-driven and carry too much bias to make an informed decision.

Galatiansis not just a bunch of cut and copy verses meant to be taken out of context. It's a short letter and can be easily read in one sitting, it's also Paul's earliest letter. when we read it's whole it's view of law is clearer than a cut apart single verse. for example, 5:14 is a pretty big one "For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” now which law do you suppose this points to? it says the entire law and is clearly a quote of Christ who says "All the Law and the Prophets" do you still want to say but when Paul says this law he meant something else? Do you still wish to cut up law so that you declare one as superior to the greatest commandment?

The word "greatest" is already a superlative but do you mean to suggest the 10 are greater still? I suppose you use the term as a "summary" if so please unpack that. Where is that concept based? show me in scripture how the greatest commandments Jesus speaks of is actually a summary of the 10? these are serious matters and I can't just hand wave these missing elements and pretent it's ok to fill in the blanks myself. I instead need to use what information is there to show me how to go forward.

Let's continue where I left off.....Now, let's back up in this chapter to the third verses and point out the two sets of laws. Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? (Galatians 3:3)

The spirit in this case is the word of God, but pay close attention to what Paul says at the end of the verse. "Are ye now made perfect by the flesh?" Can we be made perfect by the flesh? What flesh is Paul talking about? Let's go to the book of Hebrews and find out.

For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. (Hebrews 10:1)

The flesh Paul spoke of was the animal sacrifices. Notice what the verse says, "never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect." That's pretty clear don't you think? Let's go back to Galatians chapter 3 and take note how Paul uses the word "law" but does not say this is the sacrificial law or the Commandments. But as we read further in the chapter we will see the difference between the two.

For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. (Galatians 3:10)

We have both Laws with in this verse. In the first part of the verse where it states, "For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse:" This law is the sacrificial law, let's skip to the 13th verse and we will see this clearly. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: (Galatians 3:13)

Notice what's being said, "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us." How was he made a curse for us? He took on our sins and redeemed us from the curse of the sacrificial law which could never take away sin. Now take a look at the next set of verses and we will see indeed that only the sacrificial law was nailed to the cross.

And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; (Colossians 2:13-14)

Notice this, "He quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross. Why was this law (which is the sacrificial law) contrary to us?

Notice this in Hebrews the 10th chapter; For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. (Hebrews 10:4) For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. That is why it was contrary to us. The sacrificial law simply could not make us perfect.

Now let's look at the second half of the 13th verse in the book of Galatians chapter 3.

Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: (Galatians 3:13) Paul is simply quoting Moses, take a look. His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance. (Deuteronomy 21:23)

Go into the Book of John chapter 19 verse 31 and you will see that Jesus was removed from the cross before sun down. Let's back up in Galatians chapter 3 to verses 10 and watch how we have a different law in the second half of the verse.

For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. (Galatians 3:10)

This law is part of the commandments. Once again Paul, is quoting Moses, let's take a look.

Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen. (Deuteronomy 27:26)

Let's take a look at some of these laws in Deuteronomy 27th chapter.

Cursed be he that perverteth the judgment of the stranger, fatherless, and widow. And all the people shall say, Amen. Cursed be he that lieth with his father's wife; because he uncovereth his father's skirt. And all the people shall say, Amen. Cursed be he that lieth with any manner of beast. And all the people shall say, Amen. Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of his mother. And all the people shall say, Amen. Cursed be he that lieth with his mother in law. And all the people shall say, Amen. Cursed be he that smiteth his neighbour secretly. And all the people shall say, Amen. Cursed be he that taketh reward to slay an innocent person. And all the people shall say, Amen. Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen. (Deuteronomy 27:19-26)

After reading through some of these commandments ask yourself, what's wrong with these laws? If we say we are followers of the Lord shouldn't we keep ourselves from doing these things? Yes! If the sacrificial law was the only law taken away when Jesus was nailed to the cross, which would mean all the other laws are still intact. Commandments, High and Holy Sabbaths, weekly Sabbaths and the Dietary law .

 

[Bro.T]

Paul say in (1 Tim.4: 1) Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; The first day of the week, as the Sabbath day, is the doctrine of the devil. Satan is always trying to mimic God. So if it is not of God then it is of Satan. So if the seventh day Sabbath (Saturday) is a sign between God and His people. Then the first day (Sunday) is a sign between somebody and his people. You can’t have it both ways you are either in or out. Paul says in 2 Corinthians 11: 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

Also Paul say in (1 Cor.10:20-22) (v.20) “and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils”. (v.21) Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils. (v.22) Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he?

Just about everybody in my family goes to church on Sunday. Even I used too, until I read the scriptures and researched the history of Sunday worship. Until I read the bible for myself I was in the dark.

Now here’s your chance to come into the light. (1Peter: 2:9) “that ye should show forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light:” Open your eyes sisters and brothers and see. Let no man deceive you. As it is written in (Rev12:9) And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Satan through man (Religious Teaching) has deceived the whole world.

ORIGIN OF SUNDAY WORSHIP

Ample evidence from history shows that the celebration of Sunday originated from pagan practices of SUN WORSHIP. In March of 321 A.D., the Roman Emperor Constantine, who was at first a sun-worshiper and later a Christian convert, issued the first decree declaring Sunday to be a legal day of rest. In 336 A.D., the Roman Catholic Church officially changed the observance of Sabbath to Sunday for political and economic expediency. Since then, the original Sabbath gradually gave way to Sunday observance and the practice remains to this day.

The Catholic authorities proclaim: "The Bible says, 'Remember that thou keep holy the Sabbath day.' The Catholic Church says, No! By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day, and command you to keep the first day of the week. And lo, the entire civilized world bows down in reverent obedience to the command of the holy Catholic Church!" Father Enright, C.S.S.R. of the Redemptoral College, Kansas City, Mo., as taken from History of the Sabbath. pg. 802

The Biblical Sabbath, however, is and has always been on the seventh day of the week, or Saturday. Despite the prevalence of Sunday worship in Christendom, we must look to the Bible as our authority and keep the seventh day Sabbath ordained by God.

Go into your history books and prove me wrong, I challenge you to do so. Sisters and brothers I pray that you read your bibles for yourselves and pray for understanding.

And don’t let some unlearned false preacher deceive you. The Sabbath of the Lord has, and will always be the seventh day of the week (sunset Friday to sunset Saturday) and has not been changed. I know that some will say, well we don’t know if the seventh day in Jesus time is the same seventh day now. Well the bible says: (Mat 28:1) In the end of the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre. Now this proves that in Jesus day when the Sabbath (Saturday) ended the first day of the week (Sunday) began. Guess what? In our day when the seventh day ends the first day of the week begins, no change!

 

[Hentenza]

Paul say in (1 Tim.4: 1) Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; The first day of the week, as the Sabbath day, is the doctrine of the devil. Satan is always trying to mimic God. So if it is not of God then it is of Satan. So if the seventh day Sabbath (Saturday) is a sign between God and His people. Then the first day (Sunday) is a sign between somebody and his people. You can’t have it both ways you are either in or out. Paul says in 2 Corinthians 11: 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

Also Paul say in (1 Cor.10:20-22) (v.20) “and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils”. (v.21) Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils. (v.22) Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he?

Just about everybody in my family goes to church on Sunday. Even I used too, until I read the scriptures and researched the history of Sunday worship. Until I read the bible for myself I was in the dark.

Now here’s your chance to come into the light. (1Peter: 2:9) “that ye should show forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light:” Open your eyes sisters and brothers and see. Let no man deceive you. As it is written in (Rev12:9) And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Satan through man (Religious Teaching) has deceived the whole world.

ORIGIN OF SUNDAY WORSHIP

Ample evidence from history shows that the celebration of Sunday originated from pagan practices of SUN WORSHIP. In March of 321 A.D., the Roman Emperor Constantine, who was at first a sun-worshiper and later a Christian convert, issued the first decree declaring Sunday to be a legal day of rest. In 336 A.D., the Roman Catholic Church officially changed the observance of Sabbath to Sunday for political and economic expediency. Since then, the original Sabbath gradually gave way to Sunday observance and the practice remains to this day.

The Catholic authorities proclaim: "The Bible says, 'Remember that thou keep holy the Sabbath day.' The Catholic Church says, No! By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day, and command you to keep the first day of the week. And lo, the entire civilized world bows down in reverent obedience to the command of the holy Catholic Church!" Father Enright, C.S.S.R. of the Redemptoral College, Kansas City, Mo., as taken from History of the Sabbath. pg. 802

The Biblical Sabbath, however, is and has always been on the seventh day of the week, or Saturday. Despite the prevalence of Sunday worship in Christendom, we must look to the Bible as our authority and keep the seventh day Sabbath ordained by God.

Go into your history books and prove me wrong, I challenge you to do so. Sisters and brothers I pray that you read your bibles for yourselves and pray for understanding.

And don’t let some unlearned false preacher deceive you. The Sabbath of the Lord has, and will always be the seventh day of the week (sunset Friday to sunset Saturday) and has not been changed. I know that some will say, well we don’t know if the seventh day in Jesus time is the same seventh day now. Well the bible says: (Mat 28:1) In the end of the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre. Now this proves that in Jesus day when the Sabbath (Saturday) ended the first day of the week (Sunday) began. Guess what? In our day when the seventh day ends the first day of the week begins, no change!

All you have to do to prove your case is to post a post crucifixion verse that teaches that the 4th commandment is required of the Christian. That’s it, after all, after the wall of text that you just posted here you should be able to provide such a verse without any problems.

 

[bbbbbbb]

All you have to do to prove your case is to post a post crucifixion verse that teaches that the 4th commandment is required of the Christian. That’s it, after all, after the wall of text that you just posted here you should be able to provide such a verse without any problems.

This reminds me of my challenge to my Catholic friends to provide any clear mention of Mary after Pentecost. It just ain't there.

 

[Bro.T]

In the days of Jesus, the religious leaders were constantly questioning Jesus in order to test Him and on this occasion a lawyer asked Jesus what is the great commandment?

Matthew (22:35) Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, (36) Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

Jesus reply was the 1st great commandment was to love God and the 2nd was to love ones neighbor. These were given as a commandment for man to love.

Matthew (22:37) Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

(38) This is the first and great commandment. (39) And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

One should note that by following the 1st and 2nd great commandment they will be adhering to the 10 commandments issued by Moses. If they love the Lord they won’t have any other Gods before him, or make any graven images or take his name in vain, they will remember his Sabbath and if they love their neighbor they will honor their Father and Mother and they won’t kill or commit adultery or steal or bear false witness nor will they covet. This is why Jesus goes on to state that on these two commandments hang the law and the prophets. Because by fulfilling these two commandments one fulfills the law.

(40) On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Jesus stated that these 2 commandments where the 2 great commandments however the following verses will show that these commandments were not new and that the Jews and Jesus was speaking to were aware of them. These were the same ones issued to Israel by Moses.

Deuteronomy (6:5) And thy shall love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Leviticus (19:18) Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

Now that it has been established that man was commanded to love one needs to examine the scriptures to get an understanding of the love required in these great commandments.

In the following verses Moses is telling the Israelites that God chose them strictly out of His love for them.Deuteronomy (7:7) The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people: (8) But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

(9) Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;

Note in verse (9) Moses states a condition that God requires in order for Him to keep covenant and have mercy. And that is an individual must love God and keep His commandments. The scriptures will show that there is only one way to love God and that is by keeping His commandments.

Note that Jesus states in the following verse that in order to love Him one has to keep His commandments.

John (14:15) If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Jesus further defines the love He requires when He states in the following verse that those who have His commandments and keep them are those that love Him. One does not have to guess at Jesus definition of love He made it clear.

John (14:21) He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Jesus also reinforced what was said in Deuteronomy verse (9) by adding that those that love Him will be loved by the Father. How does one love Jesus? by keeping His commandments and Moses said God will keep covenant and have mercy with those who keep His commandments. So therefore by following Jesus one shall receive love from Him as well as mercy from the Father.

Note in these scriptures it did not say those who profess their love for Jesus or those that claim that Jesus knows what in their heart. Jesus made a clear and direct statement if one has His commandments and keeps them they are the ones who love Him. The statement that Jesus made as well as the condition Moses gave in Deuteronomy verse (9) were based on behalf of an individuals actions not their feeling or emotions or conditions. To exhibit love towards Jesus one must engage in a specific action and that action is being obedience to the word of God. And one will see that they are to be obedient regardless of their feeling or the surrounding circumstances.

Jesus states again in the following verses what is required of an individual to receive His love.

John (15:9) As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. (10) If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Notice Jesus use the word if ye keep my commandments, so what happen if ye do not keep his commandments. The above verse shows to be loved of Jesus one needs to be obedient. Jesus also states in verse (10) that He was obedient to the Father by keeping His commandments and therefore abides in His love.

 

[Bro.T]

I’m still waiting for a post crucificion verse that requires the Christian to keep the 4th commandment. Anyone?

Let's take a look at Roman 8: 1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. This is true, because Jesus says in John 4: 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. Jesus also say in John 6: 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. So walking in the spirit is the word of God, which is keeping is Commandments Jesus says in John 14: 15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. Abraham was a good example of this Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. Because he believe and had faith, and his works prove it. By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: (Hebrews 11:8,9) Also this was before the Children of Israel, before the Lord instituted the priesthood, the Commandment, Statues and Judgement.

So now, when we deal with the last part of that verse…..made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Now, what law is this Paul talking about. This law is animal sacrificial law, not the royal law (Ten Commandments, statutes and Judgement). Paul explained this law in; (Heb.10:1, 9-10,18,26-27) (v.1) For the law (what law, the law of animal sacrifice?) having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. (v.9) Then said he, (Jesus) Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first that he may establish the second. (v.10) By which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments. And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments. (v.18) Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. In other words, no more animals are going to die for your sins. (v.26) For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.

Now do we understand what’s being said here? If you sin willfully after you have knowledge of what the truth is, no more animals are going to die for you. (v.27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Now if you are being deceived into believing that once you are under God’s grace you no longer have to keep his commandments, all you have to look forward to is the day of judgement and the lake of fire (fiery indignation).

Now, Let's get back to Romans 8: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

So what is the righteousness of the law? Let allow Paul to tell us in Paul said in (Rom. 7:7,12) (v.7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, THOU SHALT NOT COVET. Paul asked a question, is the law sin? He said God forbid, he said the only way that he knew what sin was, was by the law. (v.12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

The Sabbath day on the seventh day of the week, it is consider walking in the spirit because its part of the law (Commandments), to be carnally minded is walk contrary to the law of righteousness. It says in (1John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts. So keeping the Sabbath day is one of the most important laws of all the laws.

Paul says in (Rom. 13:7-10) (v.7) Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. (v.8) Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. That’s the biblical definition of love, the keeping of God’s law. (v.9) For this, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF. (v.10) Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

And that is what God’s holy commandments are all about; the first four tells you how to love God and the last six tells you how to love your neighbor. If you love your God you will not do any thing to offend him, like having other gods before him. You will do as he says like Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy on the seventh day of the week. If you love him you will obey him when he tells you not to eat certain meats etc… And the same goes for your fellow man, if you love your neighbor you wouldn’t steal from him, you wouldn’t kill him, you wouldn’t try and sleep with his wife and so on and so forth. (See exodus 20: 1-17)

This is God’s definition of love and it is perfect in its ways. The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: The testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: The commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes. 9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: The judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether. More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: Sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb. Moreover by them is thy servant warned: And in keeping of them there is great reward. (Psalm 19: 7-11)

The book say in Revelation 21: 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

 

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In the days of Jesus, the religious leaders were constantly questioning Jesus in order to test Him and on this occasion a lawyer asked Jesus what is the great commandment?

Matthew (22:35) Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, (36) Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

Jesus reply was the 1st great commandment was to love God and the 2nd was to love ones neighbor. These were given as a commandment for man to love.

Matthew (22:37) Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

(38) This is the first and great commandment. (39) And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

One should note that by following the 1st and 2nd great commandment they will be adhering to the 10 commandments issued by Moses. If they love the Lord they won’t have any other Gods before him, or make any graven images or take his name in vain, they will remember his Sabbath and if they love their neighbor they will honor their Father and Mother and they won’t kill or commit adultery or steal or bear false witness nor will they covet. This is why Jesus goes on to state that on these two commandments hang the law and the prophets. Because by fulfilling these two commandments one fulfills the law.

(40) On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Jesus stated that these 2 commandments where the 2 great commandments however the following verses will show that these commandments were not new and that the Jews and Jesus was speaking to were aware of them. These were the same ones issued to Israel by Moses.

Deuteronomy (6:5) And thy shall love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Leviticus (19:18) Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

Now that it has been established that man was commanded to love one needs to examine the scriptures to get an understanding of the love required in these great commandments.

In the following verses Moses is telling the Israelites that God chose them strictly out of His love for them.Deuteronomy (7:7) The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people: (8) But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

(9) Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;

Note in verse (9) Moses states a condition that God requires in order for Him to keep covenant and have mercy. And that is an individual must love God and keep His commandments. The scriptures will show that there is only one way to love God and that is by keeping His commandments.

Note that Jesus states in the following verse that in order to love Him one has to keep His commandments.

John (14:15) If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Jesus further defines the love He requires when He states in the following verse that those who have His commandments and keep them are those that love Him. One does not have to guess at Jesus definition of love He made it clear.

John (14:21) He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Jesus also reinforced what was said in Deuteronomy verse (9) by adding that those that love Him will be loved by the Father. How does one love Jesus? by keeping His commandments and Moses said God will keep covenant and have mercy with those who keep His commandments. So therefore by following Jesus one shall receive love from Him as well as mercy from the Father.

Note in these scriptures it did not say those who profess their love for Jesus or those that claim that Jesus knows what in their heart. Jesus made a clear and direct statement if one has His commandments and keeps them they are the ones who love Him. The statement that Jesus made as well as the condition Moses gave in Deuteronomy verse (9) were based on behalf of an individuals actions not their feeling or emotions or conditions. To exhibit love towards Jesus one must engage in a specific action and that action is being obedience to the word of God. And one will see that they are to be obedient regardless of their feeling or the surrounding circumstances.

Jesus states again in the following verses what is required of an individual to receive His love.

John (15:9) As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. (10) If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Notice Jesus use the word if ye keep my commandments, so what happen if ye do not keep his commandments. The above verse shows to be loved of Jesus one needs to be obedient. Jesus also states in verse (10) that He was obedient to the Father by keeping His commandments and therefore abides in His love.

Thanks! That is simple enough - keep the commandments of Jesus Christ which amount to only two - love God and love your neighbor.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I always look at the summary of the law like we view the summary of the constitution. The summary of the law is Love - how to love God, how to love our neighbor which is defined by keeping God's commandments 1John5:2-3 Exo20:6 John14:15. Why the summary was stated after the Ten Commandments was repeated 40 years after God gave them and before entering into their promised land which is what Jesus was quoting Deut6:5 and Paul affirmed by the 2nd greatest commandment Rom13:9.

The constitution summary is justice. Just like the summary of the constitution does not delete all the amendments, the amendments make up justice, just like the Law of God makes up love. He never left it up to individuals to define, because man is not God.