Do Your Actions Speaks Louder then your knowledge?

[Hentenza]

The lord have not changed his ways. For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed (Malachi 3:6) or Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

And yet a new covenant is upon us so the Lord did not change His mind but instituted a new and better way.

Honoring the Sabbath on the 7th day is a commandment from God given from the beginning of the creation.

And yet you cant post a verse prior to Moses that shows anyone keeping the Jewish sabbath.

The Sabbath did not start with Moses; understand that the Sabbath day is intended to be observe by all nation of people. Its origin goes back to the creation of the world and of mankind. In (Genesis 2:1) Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

And yet you cant post a verse prior to Moses that shows anyone keeping the Jewish sabbath.

The above scriptures clearly show that God blessed, sanctified and made Holy the 7th Day at the beginning of the world. God chose to cease from His labor not because He was tired. He chose to cease and rest because he was finished with His creation. The Lord had completed the heavens and the earth along with the creation of man. This day represent a future day of rest, after the Great tribulation period.

And yet you cant post a verse prior to Moses that shows anyone keeping the Jewish sabbath.

This day is not alike any other day, it's set apart. Paul understood in Hebrews 4: 3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, If they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. 6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: 7 again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, Harden not your hearts. 8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

But you miss Heb.4:5 where the writer of Hebrews says “And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. “ My rest is Jesus rest NOT the Jewish sabbath. So everything after that is talking about Jesus rest.

So this is what the whole world would be missing out on, because some don’t believe, they believe Sunday is the day to have an Holy Convocation on and it’s not written in the Bible.

Sunday is the Lords rest. Every single appearance by Christ after the resurrection was on the first day NOT the 7th day. In fact it is TODAY when we can worship the lord not just on Saturday or even Sunday.

Let’s go into the future and see what the Lord expects in the future concerning his Sabbaths. Let turn to Isaiah 56:1 Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed. 56:2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.

And this again was meant for Israel and NOT for the Christian church.

56:3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree. 56:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant; 56:5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off. 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; 56:7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

And this again was meant for Israel and NOT for the Christian church.

Now, we in the future in Jesus kingdom, what we call the millennium period where Christ will reign for a thousands years, this is that day of rest and it represent a Sabbath day. Let’s take a look in Revelation 20: 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The rest of the dead? Really? This is your sabbath rest? There absolutely nothing here about the sabbath. I challenge you to find a verse that shows observant to the Jewish sabbath before Moses and a post crucifixion verse that requires the Christian to keep the 4th commandment.

 

[Aaron112]

And yet you cant post a verse prior to Moses that shows anyone keeping the Jewish sabbath.

Genesis 1 - 3 is good enough. Perfect. Light . Want to argue/debate? Listen to YHVH.

Fear no evil ?
Rather , do not fear man who can kill the body but cannot do more -
fear YHVH who can destroy both body and soul.

 

[Aaron112]

there’s no middle ground in the case, either you follow God (Jesus) or Satan. It’s written in Revelation 12: 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Once a person realize they have been deceive that’s when the true change can come in.

Yes, the whole world is deceived. Posters, readers, members, priests, pastors, teachers, kings (that commit <spiritual> fornication routinely), students, children, teens...... many may be called as written; likewise as written few are chosen (for eternal life). Even forums and churches are not neutral nor safe ground, no one to trust!

 

[Hentenza]

Genesis 1 - 3 is good enough. Perfect. Light . Want to argue/debate? Listen to YHVH.

Is not good enough. That merely claims that God proclaimed it but not that He required it. No one between genesis and exodus kept the Jewish Sabbath because there was no mosaic law until Moses.

Fear no evil ?
Rather , do not fear man who can kill the body but cannot do more -
fear YHVH who can destroy both body and soul.

Irrelevant and unresponsive.

 

[Hentenza]

Paul explains in (Gal. 3:1, 13, 16-17, 19, 24) (v.1) O FOOLISH Ga-la’-tians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? (v.13) Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, CURSED IS EVERYONE THAT HANGETH ON A TREE: What law is this talking about? Let the bible speak for itself.

(v.16) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of One, AND TO THY SEED, which is Christ. (v.17) And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

There is no Jewish law during Abraham. The only law that God gave Abraham is that of circumcision. Abraham did not keep thevJewidh sabbath. In fact, no one kept the Jewish sabbath until Moses received the commandments is stone tablets. If you have a verse thst proves that the people before Moses kept the sabbath I sure would like to see it.

To sum up what going on here in Galatians, Paul is explaining that Christ came from Abraham seed, and remove the animal Sacrificial law. But in the days of Abraham that animal Sacrificial law never was on the table, and was not needed for Abraham to obey and have faith in God. But the Commandments was always on the table.

This is nonesense. Did you notice what Paul says about the law bring a curse? It is Jesus bring hung in a tree that he vompsres it to. Jesus died in the cross (a tree). Abraham was saved APART from his works

“For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” Now to the one who works, the wages are not credited as a favor, but as what is due. But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,”
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Romans 4:4-5 Now to the one who works, the wages are not credited as a favor, but as what is due. But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteous | New American Standard Bible - NASB

Now to the one who works, the wages are not credited as a favor, but as what is due. But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteous

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Nothing here about Abraham keeping some invisible law that was not given until 430 years later.

Now pay attention,

You pay attention.

the law that is being spoken of here came four hundred and thirty years after this covenant. But God’s holy commandments have been around forever even before man was created

The 10 commandments were given to Israel at SanaI NOT before. If you have a verse that shows that the Jewish law including the 10 commandments were given before then I would love to see it.

. Remember that Satan was kicked out of heaven because iniquity (sin) was found in him. And what is sin? The transgression of the law (commandments). Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts. (1John 3:4)

God doesn’t say that but you interpretation does. Big difference. The Jewish law includes all 613 laws including the Ten Commandments.

(v.19) Wherefore then serveth the law? A question is being asked here. Then why should we serve this law? It was added because of transgression, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; the law that we are talking about here was added because of sin. But we now know that sin is the transgression of the law.

“For if those who are of the Law are heirs, then faith is made void and the promise is nullified; for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, there also is no violation.”
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Romans 4:14-15 For if those who are of the Law are heirs, then faith is made void and the promise is nullified; for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, there also is no violation. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | D

For if those who are of the Law are heirs, then faith is made void and the promise is nullified; for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, there also is no violation.

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Learn what Jesus sacrifice actually means.

How do you add a law if sin is the transgression of the law? Because there are two sets of laws, you have God’s holy commandments which abided forever, and you had the animal sacrificial law which was added because of sin, but it was only good until the seed should come to whom the promise was made, and that seed was Jesus.

(v.24) Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. This animal sacrificial law was only a schoolmaster. (Paul breaks down more of this law in Hebrew 10th Chapter)

And this schoolmaster taught you that when you sinned in ignorance blood had to be shed (an animal sacrificed). But Christ being the ultimate sacrifice shed his precious blood once and for all, and by doing this putting an end to the animal sacrificial law.

Paul says in Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. So when you quoted all the places in the Bible that do away with this animal sacrificial law, not understanding that Paul talks about two sets of law. The Royal law (Ten Commandments) and the animal sacrificial law sometimes in the same verse you bring can bring destruction to yourself not knowing which law is which.

Paul does not say what you interpret him to say, Paul states 5 chapters later:

“For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.”
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Romans 8:2-4 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in th | New American Standard Bible - NASB

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in th

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Is Paul bi polar? Is he defending the law in one place and then calling it weak and not effective in another? As I state before your interpretation adds quite a bit of tension to scripture that does not need to be there which means that your interpretation has severe problems.

I asked you before to provide verses that proves that the Sabbath was kept before Moses and a post crucifixion verse that requires the Christian to keep the 4th commandment. I am surprised that after wasting so many words here you have not produced either one of the verses. You are condemning all Christians that do not worship on Saturday so it should be simple for you to provide the verses since they are of such importance.

 

[Aaron112]

YHVH Created the Sabbath. YHVH rested on the Sabbath not because He was ever tired , no, but in His Perfect Wisdom and Infinite Knowledge of everything including what humans think and do all the time.

“For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”

Kicking against the pricks is not helpful - arguing against God, arguing against Shabbat, is harmful and sinful, not helpful.

As written, Shabbat, seventh day shabbat, is from the beginning. God-made. God's idea. God's Instruction.

He watches to see who opposes Him.

for example: Genesis 1 and 2 - The Sabbath — Chalmers Presbyterian Church
"
So Israel was to keep the Sabbath because God made heaven and earth in six days and then rested on the seventh day. Although, Israel were already aware of the Sabbath before they received the Ten Commandments. In Exodus 16, a few chapters earlier, while Israel was in the wilderness, God provided bread (or manna) from heaven.

God provided it every day except on the Sabbath. And because it wasn’t around on the Sabbath, on the day before the Sabbath they were to collect twice as much as usual. So here we see God’s people keeping the Sabbath before they received the Ten Commandments. And the reason they kept the Sabbath before they received the Law is because the Sabbath has a stronger connection to creation than to the Law given through Moses."

 

[Aaron112]

Salvation for foreigners:
"Salvation for Foreigners

1This is what the LORD says:

“Maintain justice and do what is right,

for My salvation is coming soon,

and My righteousness will be revealed.

2Blessed is the man who does this,

and the son of man who holds it fast,

who keeps the Sabbath without profaning it

and keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

3Let no foreigner who has joined himself to the LORD say,

“The LORD will utterly exclude me from His people.”

And let the eunuch not say,

“I am but a dry tree.”

4For this is what the LORD says:

“To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths,

who choose what pleases Me

and hold fast to My covenant—

5I will give them, in My house and within My walls,

a memorial and a name

better than that of sons and daughters.

I will give them an everlasting name

that will not be cut off.

6And the foreigners who join themselves to the LORD

to minister to Him,

to love the name of the LORD,

and to be His servants—

all who keep the Sabbath without profaning it

and who hold fast to My covenant—

7I will bring them to My holy mountain

and make them joyful in My house of prayer."

 

[DamianWarS]

So when you sin, you transgress the law, what law? The Commandments brother and Sisters. And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it. Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. (2 John 1: 6,8,9)

You've added a non-scriptural nuance by turning "commandments" into a proper noun. Your point is clear that you're trying to isolate the 10 commandments from everything else but you've fail to add your scripture support for this highly interpretive reasoning.

take a study of 1 Cor 7:19 for example to understand what the use of "commandments" can mean

1 Cor 7:19
Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God’s commands is what counts.

Gal 5:6
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

Gal 6:15
Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation.

Paul intends the same meaning in all these examples. It is not in addition to, but there is only 1 thing that counts in all these verses. that one thing can be summed up by God's commandments but the context is not the 10 it is within the boundaries new covenant teaching and understanding, which is a focus of the new creation over the old.

there is a strong narrative, especially in Johannine texts (like John 15:12), of love of God demonstrated through love of others. Injecting the 10 commandments because the word "commandments" is used alone is irresponsible and sloppy. do you have anything else to go on by to support this 10 commandments link to 2 John 1:6 which seems to be the hinge of your argument?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You've added a non-scriptural nuance by turning "commandments" into a proper noun. Your point is clear that you're trying to isolate the 10 commandments from everything else but you've fail to add your scripture support this this highlight interpretive reasoning.

take a study of 1 Cor 7:19 for example to understand what the use of "commandments" can mean

1 Cor 7:19
Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God’s commands is what counts.

Gal 5:6
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

Gal 6:15
Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation.

Paul intends the same meaning in all these examples. It is not in addition to, but there is only 1 thing that counts in all these verses. that one thing can be summed up by God's commandments but the context is not the 10 it is within the boundaries new covenant teaching and understanding, which is a focus of the new creation over the old.

there is a strong narrative, especially in Johannine texts (like John 15:12), of love of God demonstrated through love of others. Injecting the 10 commandments because the word "commandments" is used alone is irresponsible and sloppy. do you have anything else to go on by to support this 10 commandments link to 2 John 1:6 which seems to be the hinge of your argument?

Something that is interchangeable means it works backwards and forwards- not I pick the definition I seem to agree with and voids out the other.

For example, God said the seventh day and the Sabbath day are interchangeable.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

It keeps all things intact, not destroys which one we don't agree with. Its actually explains what one does seem to agree with, what it really means, the Bible's definition, not ours.


You are taking two things from Galatians and applying to Corinthians. That's fine, but lets keeps in mind Jesus who is God kept intact the definition of God's commandments quoting from the same unit of Ten. Mat 15:3-14 Mark7:7-13 Paul is not above Jesus to change a jot or tittle that Jesus said He would not.

But lets see if Paul is working in harmony or against what God of the universe defined.

Gal 5:6
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

Does faith void the law and redefine it., Not according to Paul's plain words.

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

Does love void the law?

Not according to Jesus.
John 14:15 If you love Me, keep My commandments. Same thing He said in the Ten Commandments Exo20:6

Gal 6:15
Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation.

Is becoming a new creation mean leaving your old life of sin and walking in Christ or does it mean we are worshipping others gods, and stealing from our neighbor and breaking God's commandments which is sin 1 John3:4

Lets see what Paul says

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

So someone who has faith though love and walks in newness of life is keeping God's commandments- which is just that commandments, means its not a suggestion. His version because He is God and we are not. Its what love and faith is all about, putting what God said above our own wants, will and desires because we love Him and He loves us and this faith is what makes us a new creation in Christ and reconciles us back to God Rev22:14

 

[SabbathBlessings]

YHVH Created the Sabbath. YHVH rested on the Sabbath not because He was ever tired , no, but in His Perfect Wisdom and Infinite Knowledge of everything including what humans think and do all the time.

Kicking against the pricks is not helpful - arguing against God, arguing against Shabbat, is harmful and sinful, not helpful.

As written, Shabbat, seventh day shabbat, is from the beginning. God-made. God's idea. God's Instruction.

He watches to see who opposes Him.

for example: Genesis 1 and 2 - The Sabbath — Chalmers Presbyterian Church
"
So Israel was to keep the Sabbath because God made heaven and earth in six days and then rested on the seventh day. Although, Israel were already aware of the Sabbath before they received the Ten Commandments. In Exodus 16, a few chapters earlier, while Israel was in the wilderness, God provided bread (or manna) from heaven.

God provided it every day except on the Sabbath. And because it wasn’t around on the Sabbath, on the day before the Sabbath they were to collect twice as much as usual. So here we see God’s people keeping the Sabbath before they received the Ten Commandments. And the reason they kept the Sabbath before they received the Law is because the Sabbath has a stronger connection to creation than to the Law given through Moses."

The churches who teach the masses against God's commandments is not going to go unpunished by God. Like Jesus said both who teach and follow this teaching leads to a ditch Mat15:3-14 Its sad when they know the Truth but than try to apply all the blessings God gave to the Sabbath, which God said is the seventh day Exo20:10 written by God, to a day God never sanctified, made holy or commanded. Its really deceitful and a counterfeit to what God said so plainly.

 

[Hentenza]

YHVH Created the Sabbath. YHVH rested on the Sabbath not because He was ever tired , no, but in His Perfect Wisdom and Infinite Knowledge of everything including what humans think and do all the time.

Kicking against the pricks is not helpful - arguing against God, arguing against Shabbat, is harmful and sinful, not helpful.

As written, Shabbat, seventh day shabbat, is from the beginning. God-made. God's idea. God's Instruction.

He watches to see who opposes Him.

for example: Genesis 1 and 2 - The Sabbath — Chalmers Presbyterian Church
"
So Israel was to keep the Sabbath because God made heaven and earth in six days and then rested on the seventh day. Although, Israel were already aware of the Sabbath before they received the Ten Commandments. In Exodus 16, a few chapters earlier, while Israel was in the wilderness, God provided bread (or manna) from heaven.

God provided it every day except on the Sabbath. And because it wasn’t around on the Sabbath, on the day before the Sabbath they were to collect twice as much as usual. So here we see God’s people keeping the Sabbath before they received the Ten Commandments. And the reason they kept the Sabbath before they received the Law is because the Sabbath has a stronger connection to creation than to the Law given through Moses."

Then post a verse that shows that people kept the sabbath prior to Moses and a post crucifixion verse that requires the Christian to keep the Jewish sabbath.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Then post a verse that shows that people kept the sabbath prior to Moses and a post crucifixion verse that requires the Christian to keep the Jewish sabbath.

Please show where God reduced His commandments from a Biblical number of Ten, numbered by God Exo 34:28 Deut 4:13 to unbiblical number of 9 in the NC? Forgetting the only commandment He said to Remember. That is holy and blessed by God.

If everything was spelled out, there wouldn't be room for faith. Why we see by faith the Sabbath being kept by His disciples before and after the Cross. Luke 23:56 Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4 Acts 15:21. Why we see Jesus who is God, keeping the Sabbath Luke4:16 and by faith we are to follow in His example 1 John2:6 1Peter2:21-22, not follow the examples of humans. By faith when we are told to keep the commandments of God in the NT, they include what God said they do. Deut4:13 Exo34:28 Exo20:6

I think the disconnection is believing the God of the OT is a different God of the NT. When God said Himself, He does not change. Mal3:6 Heb13:8. Jesus Himself who is God said He did not come to destroy His laws but to fulfill- which He did by magnifying His laws Isa 42:21 and making them greater, not lessor. By faith we need to believe. and live by what Jesus says to Mat4:4

 

[Hentenza]

Please show where God reduced His commandments from a Biblical number of Ten,

I don’t have to but you do. You are the one attempting to prove the positive. All of the Ten Commandments were required of the Jews in the old covenant. We are now in the new covenant and the 4th commandment is no longer required of the Christian since our rest now is in Jesus not in a particular day but TODAY (Heb. 4).

Please post a post crucifixion verse that requires the Christian to keep the 4th commandment.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I don’t have to but you do. You are the one attempting to prove the positive. All of the Ten Commandments were required of the Jews in the old covenant. We are now in the new covenant and the 4th commandment is no longer required of the Christian since our rest now is in Jesus not in a particular day but TODAY (Heb. 4).

Please post a post crucifixion verse that requires the Christian to keep the 4th commandment.

What Hebrews 4 is quoting regarding today is Psa95 verbatim and does not say today is the Sabbath, the new day or rest, today deletes the 4th commandment etc. That is adding to the word of God, something we are told not to Pro 30:6

Heb 4:7 again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”

It does not say today is the Sabbath. It doesn't even use the word Sabbath or day of rest here.

Paul is quoting David in Psalms

Psa 95:7 Today, if you will hear His voice:
8 “Do not harden your hearts, as in the [c]rebellion,
As in the day of trial in the wilderness,
9 When your fathers tested Me;
They tried Me, though they saw My work.
10 For forty years I was [e]grieved with that generation,
And said, ‘It is a people who go astray in their hearts,
And they do not know My ways.’
11 So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.’ ”

In God's rest there is no rebellion to God's commandments like those who He tested in the wilderness

Eze 20:13 Yet the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they did not walk in My statutes; they despised My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them’; and they greatly defiled My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them in the wilderness, to consume them.

Why many never entered this rest into Canaan. Jos1:13

Why we are told plainly not to follow their same path of disobedience

Heb 4:11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.

So we can enter into our Promised Rest- God's Kingdom Rev 22:14 where no one is in rebellion to God and His commandments, Sadly, those are the ones outside Rev22:15 1John2:4 Mat7:23

Why God calls on us today which is daily to not harden our hearts to the deceitfulness of sin, which is breaking God's laws1John3:4, if we hear His voice.

Heb 3:7 Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
8 Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion,
In the day of trial in the wilderness,
9 Where your fathers tested Me, tried Me,
And saw My works forty years.
10 Therefore I was angry with that generation,
And said, ‘They always go astray in their heart,
And they have not known My ways.’
11 So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.’ ”
12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; 13 but [b]exhort one another daily, while it is called “Today,” lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. 14 For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end, 15 while it is said:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.”

What Hebrews 4 is really saying, is the opposite of what most people are doing and teaching. But people believe what they want to just like those who were tested in the wilderness despite seeing firsthand the works of God. Sadly, its the same story, just different characters, nothing new under the sun. Why God is calling us out of our false teachings Rev18:4 and back to worship the God of Creation Rev 14:7 Exo20:11 before its too late Rev22:11

Hebrews 4 is actually telling us to keep the Sabbath because those who enter into Christ's rest ALSO which means in addition, rest as God did Heb4:10 , on the seventh day Heb4:4 Exo20:11 Gen2:1-3 the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God Exo20:10

Why the Sabbath rest and the Greek word here literally translates into Sabbath-keeping, which remains (not changed) for God's people Heb4:19NIV Heb 4:11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience sounds like a commandment to me.

 

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What Hebrews 4 is quoting regarding today is Psa95 verbatim and does not say today is the Sabbath,

It sure does and it also teaches that Jesus is our rest now not the 4th commandment. Prophesy is pretty cool.

 

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It sure does and it also teaches that Jesus is our rest now not the 4th commandment.

I broke it down with Scripture and references to what "saying in David" the author of Hebrews was quoting, Heb4 is mainly a reference to OT showing how they rebelled and harden their hearts which prevented them for entering into their rest (Canaan) and comparing it to today, why we are not to follow in their same path of disobedience Heb4:6 Heb4:11, but if one thinks our words will save, over what the Scriptures state so plainly, that's a choice one can take. John 12:48

Prophesy is pretty cool.

Its not if we are not allowing the Bible to explain Itself and end up doing the opposite of what it says.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” [g]says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

 

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I broke it down with Scripture and references to what "saying in David" the author of Hebrews was quoting, Heb4 is mainly a reference to OT showing how they rebelled and harden their hearts which prevented them for entering into their rest (Canaan) and comparing it to today, why we are not to follow in their same path of disobedience Heb4:6 Heb4:11, but if one thinks our words will save, over what the Scriptures state so plainly, that's a choice one can take. John 12:48

That is not the proper interpretation of Heb. 4. The writer is contrasting Moses and the Messiah at the end of Heb. 3 and explaining why some of the Israelites could not enter the promise land. But the beginning of Heb. 4 the writer begins with “therefore”. This serves as not teaching the result if their unbelief which prevented them from entering the promise land. The writer is cautioning the reader that they should not miss Jesus rest by their unbelief but to have faith today.

“For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His.”
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Hebrews 4:10 For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His.

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This verse alone discredits your interpretation since it compares Jesus rest as the same as God’s rest.

Its not if we are not allowing the Bible to explain Itself and end up doing the opposite of what it says.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” [g]says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

This is irrelevant and unresponsive. This is typical sect threats to keep adherents aligned with the sect’s beliefs. It won’t work on me. You are not qualified to post scripture accusing the other poster of sinning if they don’t agree with you. It is a form of flaming and against the forum rules.

 

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This verse alone discredits your interpretation since it compares Jesus rest as the same as God’s rest.

Jesus IS God. Its Jesus speaking at Mt Sinai that Heb 4:4 references.

The Gods of Heaven- Father, Son and Holy Spirit are One, their rest is the same, their laws are the same. Jesus did not come to destroy Their laws in Their Holy Temple Rev 11:19 Rev 15:5, but to fulfill- and He did that by magnifying His laws Isa 42:21 making them greater and showing what they mean through His example not ending. Jesus said He gives rest and still kept the physical Sabbath, because like all commandments, you can't have the spiritual side without the physical, they work together not against by what Jesus plainly taught Mat5:19-30 If not keeping the literal, the spiritual side most certainly is not being kept. The spiritual is fixing the inside which is shown though our outside actions.


Why its still a sin to break them in the NC 1 John3:4 James2:10-12

 

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Jesus IS God. Its Jesus speaking at Mt Sinai that Heb 4:4 references.

The writer of Hebrews makes a distinction in their individual rests. The distinction separates the sabbath rest from Jesus rest. So you have a problem.

 

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The writer of Hebrews makes a distinction in their individual rests. The distinction separates the sabbath rest from Jesus rest. So you have a problem.

It does make the distinction of two different rests not one, so we can agree on this. The Sabbath rest is according to the commandment Luke23:56. Christ rest is from rebellion and sin Mat11:28 Psa38:3 why those who enter into Christs rest ALSO means they are doing something in addition and it tells us verbatim what that is, they ALSO cease from their works as God did Heb4:10 on the seventh day Heb4:4 Exo20:11 Gen 2:1-3. The seventh day is the Sabbath thus saith the Lord Exo20:10

These two different rests are not anything new, OT speaks of this and I can show you if you like.

There is no rebellion to any of God's commandments including the 4th commandment in God's rest, thats called unrest. This is sin unbelief and rebellion, which the Holy Spirit is trying to get our attention on, if we hear Him and not harden our hearts because those who are not subject to the law of God are an enmity to God Rom8:7-8. God wants to give everyone peace and righteousness but not everyone wants to come to the light.

Isa 48:18
Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!
Then your peace would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.