Do you want to see Intelligent Design taught in universities and schools?

[DennisTate]

There is a saying. If you can't do it right, then don't do it at all. God did not evolve. That would be a lie to teach that. Only educated true born again creationists should be allowed to teach such courses in schools. But I do not think it is going to happen. The times are getting more and more darker. How I would love there to be more secular schools that taught Christian courses. But the reality is that is not going to happen. The best option is to homeschool your kids or at the very least, train them about the ways of God and to warn them against the false teachings of this world (like Evolution).

Maybe this will help.........
G-d invented squirrels.......
was there ever something resembling a time period......
before G-d invented squirrels?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

God did create natural selection which allows species to adapt to the environment.
Farmers attend church and are experts on species adaptations and modifications.
Or "evolution" of species.

Yeah, for me that is like saying rain is not wet. It's just silly to even argue it. Yes, there is Micro-Evolution (like changes within an animal's own kind or species). But there is no such thing as Macro-Evolution where one species evolves into another. That is just so obviously fake it is not even funny. But you are free to believe whatever you wish.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Maybe this will help.........
G-d invented squirrels.......
was there ever something resembling a time period......
before G-d invented squirrels?

Do you believe we came from apes?

 

[Go Braves]

I certainly want ID taught in universities and schools but.........
it seems to me that we Christians need to apply this advice before it
can happen:

Matthew 5:25

"Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison."

What I believe Messiah Yeshua - Jesus means by this is...... agree with our opponents to the degree that our adversaries are perhaps correct...... or at least could be correct..... because there is so much information that each of us cannot possibly know enough about to be dogmatic on all subjects.

An Ancient of Days the Father, an Ancient of Days the Holy Spirit and Seven or fourteen Elohim led by the Word / Logos, who made Adam and Eve in their image....... may be first and foremost scientists, composed of fundamental or nearly fundamental energy.... according to String Theory........ who existed from eternity in the past.

If... in a sense God planned and choreographed an essentially infinite number of Big Bang or Big Flash events...... over eternity in the past.......... then perhaps before creating our ancestors Adam and Eve... maybe God got better and better and better at creation?

Before the creation of Adam and Eve it seem that Lucifer and one third of the angels had already fallen.

So..... our understanding of this statement could help to put a form of Intelligent Design back into schools........... "GOD EVOLVED BUT ADAM AND EVE WERE CREATED."

This is my attempt to agree with our Agnostic and Atheistic adversaries.... to at least some degree.

What did you earn your college degree in?

 

[bbbbbbb]

I could easily see ID taught as an elective class. After all, the university I attended taught a popular elective on the Bible as literature.

 

[SkyWriting]

Yeah, for me that is like saying rain is not wet. It's just silly to even argue it. Yes, there is Micro-Evolution (like changes within an animal's own kind or species). But there is no such thing as Macro-Evolution where one species evolves into another. That is just so obviously fake it is not even funny. But you are free to believe whatever you wish.

You also have to consider the number of "Species" that you wish
to infer into Noah's Ark. All current "Species" must have been
on the Ark not so very long ago.

If you use the word "Species" then you are subject to those who use the term.
Super-fast evolving fish splitting into two species in same lake
Fastest known speciation for marine animals discovered in Hawaii

 

[Dave-W]

Would you like to run that by me again after listening to this video.......

Dennis, I think you misunderstood what I was saying.

"Learn" and "Evolve" are processes that bring change over time. God exists OUTSIDE of time and would not be subject to such things.

 

[Dave-W]

This topic is now relevant again.......
Is God infinitely ancient?

From that thread:

"Did God exist from infinite time in the past?"

Eternity is not an infinite amount of time. It is entirely outside of time.

 

[Dave-W]

Do you believe we came from apes?

No.

Gen 2.7 Then the Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

You also have to consider the number of "Species" that you wish
to infer into Noah's Ark. All current "Species" must have been
on the Ark not so very long ago.

If you use the word "Species" then you are subject to those who use the term.
Super-fast evolving fish splitting into two species in same lake
Fastest known speciation for marine animals discovered in Hawaii

I am not doubting the concept that certain dog breeds can breed with other kinds of dogs. It happens every day. But they are still dogs. A dog cannot give birth to a cat or a monkey. In other words, micro-Evolution (micro changes in a species own kind) is true and Macro-Evolution (a species changing into a completely different kind of animal) is false.

 

[Inkfingers]

Would I like to see ID taught in schools? Yes - and I have, as part of my teacher training, given a lecture on why.

ID does not appear to cover this thread however, as the poll and the thread title are nothing to do with each other.

 

[SkyWriting]

I am not doubting the concept that certain dog breeds can breed with other kinds of dogs. It happens every day. But they are still dogs. A dog cannot give birth to a cat or a monkey. In other words, micro-Evolution (micro changes in a species own kind) is true and Macro-Evolution (a species changing into a completely different kind of animal) is false.

Have you been able to find the barrier that stops one
species from micro-evolving into an different species?
Becasue if you say there is a barrier, then you need to
show that. If you claim that tigers cannot be
breed to be house cats, then you need to show the
barrier that prevents that from happening over time.

Or wolves from becoming house dogs. Or bears
from becoming house dogs. Or caterpillars from becoming
butterflies. Oh...sorry on that one. Caterpillars are butterflies.
Tadpoles are frogs...all that.

 

[SkyWriting]

Do you believe we came from apes?

We are apes.

 

[SkyWriting]

No.

Gen 2.7 Then the Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

So before God processed man into the image of God, we were just animals.
Animals don't have the breath of life in them. Most don't.

 

[Inkfingers]

We are apes.

No, we are not.

We WERE apes but we evolved OUT OF them into a new higher category; although granted when looking at 99% of the internet I find quite a bit of evidence that many missed the bus...

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Have you been able to find the barrier that stops one
species from micro-evolving into an different species?
Becasue if you say there is a barrier, then you need to
show that. If you claim that tigers cannot be
breed to be house cats, then you need to show the
barrier that prevents that from happening over time.

Or wolves from becoming house dogs. Or bears
from becoming house dogs. Or caterpillars from becoming
butterflies. Oh...sorry on that one. Caterpillars are butterflies.
Tadpoles are frogs...all that.

*Sigh* I know caterpillars change into butterflies;
However, they are not a new species or an entirely different animal kind (just because we give them different names).

As for the barrier:
Observable evidence, my friend.
What is possible today is the same as it was back in the past.
What is not possible today is the same as it was back in the past.
Unless you have signficant proof that a species could interbreed for only a certain time in the past and then they later could not do so in the future because they evolved somehow.

 

[SkyWriting]

I am not doubting the concept that certain dog breeds can breed with other kinds of dogs. It happens every day. But they are still dogs. A dog cannot give birth to a cat or a monkey. In other words, micro-Evolution (micro changes in a species own kind) is true and Macro-Evolution (a species changing into a completely different kind of animal) is false.

There seems to have been a lot of evolving goin on
since the Flood. And all pretty quick too. How many
different species fit on the Ark? All of them?

 

[SkyWriting]

No, we are not.

We WERE apes but we evolved OUT OF them into a new higher category; although granted when looking at 99% of the internet I find quite a bit of evidence that many missed the bus...

I'm sorry but if you use the term "apes" then you are stuck
with the biological baggage that comes with the term.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

No, we are not.

We WERE apes but we evolved OUT OF them into a new higher category; although granted when looking at 99% of the internet I find quite a bit of evidence that many missed the bus...

I just do not see how you can believe in Darwin's lie of Macro-Evolution. It is 100% incompatible with the Bible. We see nothing in the Bible about how we evolved from monkeys. The first man was created out of the ground by God.

 

[SkyWriting]

I just do not see how you can believe in Darwin's lie of Macro-Evolution. It is 100% incompatible with the Bible. We see nothing in the Bible about how we evolved from monkeys. The first man was created out of the ground by God.

All living animals were created "by the earth" in a process, according to scripture. You can read that all life was tasked by God for the ground to create.

24Then God said,
"Let the earth
bring forth living creatures after their kind: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth after their kind"; and it was so.