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Do you want to see Intelligent Design taught in universities and schools?

Can God learn or in a sense "evolve?"

  • Absolutely not..... this is blasphemy!

    Votes: 1 3.1%
  • Yes....

    Votes: 7 21.9%
  • No.....

    Votes: 5 15.6%
  • God always knew everything about everything....and has no need to learn.

    Votes: 19 59.4%

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Which word, where? First of all, Petrodollars are still US Dollars. It would be next to impossible to dump them on the market. A dollar is a dollar is a dollar. The only way that you could "dump" them on the market would be to give away bundles of $100,000 packets for free. And even that would not destabilize the dollar. The police first, and then the FBI, then the SEC and all sorts of alphabet soup would be down on you before close of business on the first day.
 
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Let's be real! God (The Triune God, Father, Son, Holy Spirit) created the universe, and all that is within it.

But your semi-mathematical formula talks off Eternity in the past. ETERNITY means NO TIME. God does not exist WITHIN the framework of Time. Never has, never will. So saying something like Evolution began more than the age of the earth is to totally misunderstand God.

I happen to believe that when God created life on the Earth, He set up the pattern and watched how the creatures would grow. Darwin described the changes that happened, and as far as his physical findings, I would say he was mostly right.

He was wrong about random selection, though, because behind everything, God was behind the scenes, working to make this planet green, with an atmosphere rich in oxygen, making sure that when it came time to introduce humanity into the mix, it would be a good planet.

Why did the dinosaurs die? The most common theory today is a giant meteorite hit the earth--we can still probe the crater today--that made the dinosaurs die, by rendering the earth unfit for them to exist. We also hear that small mammals survived, and evolved, and continued to grow. And on and on the story goes, until we arrive at one male human being and one female human being, which God breathed into them an immortal soul.

Now, what is so hard about that? But as I said in a previous post, faux math formulae of how God did things are just wrong.
 
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I will send you a personal message with the link to the copy of the original message that I was given a few months ago........

and I will leave you with this prediction from Pastor Shane Warren from 2012....
 
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Evangelist Garner Ted Armstrong introduced me to the theory that the dinosaurs may have died at that first casting down of Satan to the earth some time previous to the creation of Adam and Eve.
 
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I could be wrong... but I can't help but suspect that there could be a connection between that 4.3 Trillion Petro-Dollars with the fact that Rabbi Judah ben Samuel predicted that 1917, 1967 and 2017 would be Jubilee years.

Please pray about those 4.3 trillion that they be diverted into setting captives free........ feeding the hungry...... educating the poor.......... and that the will of God be done with them.......
 
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Please explain, "GOD EVOLVED BUT ADAM AND EVE WERE CREATED."

I could be wrong but the seeming correlation between String Theory with near death experience accounts has me wondering if NDE accounts are very often examples of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus keeping his promise to speak plainly of the Father...... in the future.

If.... String Theory is largely accurate then.......
fundamental or nearly fundamental energy may have existed for long time before the lower energetic levels were INVENTED!

So.... even if some variation of four dimensional space time has already existed for ten trillion years........ still that leaves infinite time before...... ten trillion years in the past. (For the record the piece of pie theory takes the age of this universe only back to about two hundred billion years).

Adam and Eve on the other hand were indeed created perhaps as recent as six or seven thousand years ago.......
partly as a response to the rebellion of one third of the angels.

God is working on...... "the restoration of all things."
 
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Evangelist Garner Ted Armstrong

Garner Ted Armstrong doesn't even believe that Jesus is God! Get a grip, Dennis, Stay away from him and others like him. Rather, learn who someone is, first, and find out their views about Christ before sending any money to anyone.
 
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Matthew 16:23a But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan:

Was Jesus calling Peter "Satan"? or was Jesus addressing Satan in Peter?


Neither. "Satan" is also just used as a term in Hebrew, "ha-satan" meaning "adversary". Jesus wasn't saying Peter was the devil, or that Peter was possessed, he was saying that Peter was opposing what Jesus was saying.
 
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Garner Ted Armstrong doesn't even believe that Jesus is God! Get a grip, Dennis, Stay away from him and others like him. Rather, learn who someone is, first, and find out their views about Christ before sending any money to anyone.

People tend to exaggerate accusations........
I listened to Evangelist Garner Ted Armstrong from 1972 to the year 2002 or so and he believed firmly that Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus was somehow the Word - Logos incarnated as a human being.

He believed that as the incarnate Word / Logos the life of Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus was actually worth more than all of us humans combined... thus his ability to pay off all our debts simultaneously........

A related question did come up..... was the Word -Logos within Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus from birth or...... did the Word - Logos descend on him like a dove at the baptism by John.

I personally lean toward the Word -Logos descending on him like a dove when he was baptized......... but I can't quite remember but I think that Garner Ted believed he had the spirit of Moshiach from birth........


I had rheumatoid arthritis from when I was fourteen, (1973) until a few months after being anointed with oil and prayed for by two Worldwide Church of God pastors.......... the paltry sums of money that I was able to send in over those years was a token in comparison to having been healed from arthritis........ (1980 or 1981).. ... at the Festival of Tabernacles in P. E. I.
 
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Garner Ted Armstrong doesn't even believe that Jesus is God! Get a grip, Dennis, Stay away from him and others like him. Rather, learn who someone is, first, and find out their views about Christ before sending any money to anyone.

On the other side of things.... it is my firm belief that if Mr. Garner Ted Armstrong and his dad could pass on a message at this time it would be to say that they are sorry for their instances of exaggerated accusations at other churches.......
that they had became very competitive with.

Just as Democrats and Republicans can really get angry with each other.... so also... the various denominations have gotten into a mentality against each other that is not at all what Messiah Yeshua - Jesus would want us to have.

When Garner Ted Armstrong split from his dad in 1978, his friend Pastor Ron Dart actually encouraged members of the Church of God International to feel free to attend other churches on Sunday..... after attending services on Saturday........

... that was a much better approach than I personally ever saw applied in the WWCG.

With that in mind I did church hop for the decade of the 1990's and it was a truly positive experience......

Pastor Rick Joyner has written something that to my thinking would be much along the line of what Mr. Garner Ted Armstrong and his dad would want to pass on to officials in other churches at this time...... if they could......


The Final Quest [English] Rick Joyner

Pastor Rick Joyner.....

 
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Neither. "Satan" is also just used as a term in Hebrew, "ha-satan" meaning "adversary". Jesus wasn't saying Peter was the devil, or that Peter was possessed, he was saying that Peter was opposing what Jesus was saying.
What is "Satan" capitalized then?

Matthew 16:23a But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan:
 
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What is "Satan" capitalized then.

Matthew 16:23a But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan:

Because "Satan" simply meant "adversary". It was used as just a way of saying Peter was being an adversary at the time. Jesus was speaking of his fulfillment as the Messiah and how he would be sacrificed, which wasn't in line with what Peter thought the Messiah would be, which was a conquering warrior who would cause the enemy kingdoms to fall.
 
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There you are cherrypicking again.

No - I am giving a specific reference to the name Lucifer, who was in Heaven, and then not, that Scripture itself reveals.





"Lucifer" is just a proverb-title meaning "Morning Star" given to a king of Babylon. Not Satan. Not a fallen angel. Not a rebellious spirit. Nothing supernatural. Nothing more or less than an arrogant king who saw himself as greater than anyone else.

The book of Isaiah reveals much information concerning those with POWER -
Christ - Lucifer - Earthly Kings - Earthly Kingdoms -AS well as those who submit to God and reject God, and the consequences thereof being; salvation and judgements.

How you determined Lucifer refers to the "king of Babylon", is pretty inventive, since the king of Babylon was not IN Heaven or Cast down from Heaven.

14 12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

TWO in Scripture have been referenced as the "morning stars";
Jesus AND Lucifer
Christ Jesus IS the Power of God.
Christ Jesus IS further identified as the "BRIGHT Morning Star".
And further; Scripture teaches MEN who overcome the world receive the Bright Morning Star -

Which IS the Power of God, which is Christ......NOT Lucifer, NOT Satan, and certainly NOT a Babylonian king.

I find nothing in your response that supports a Biblical position to reject that Lucifer is Satan.

God Bless,
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Just in brief - seems to me people of any age who is contemplating, leaning toward, dwelling on suicide should seek aid from someone skilled in dealing with such issues.
Personally I do not believe that is a School Teacher.

Suicide is simply a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

Anger, is a perfectly normal behavior, stretched out of proportion, as if, it is abnormal.

Pharmaceutical Drugs, in the hands of the general population, is IMO are one of the WORST guarded items, by the one, they are issued to.

Street drugs - are compounds of death - is all a person needs to know about them.
And from there, a person can choose to take them or not. There are PRISON sentences for a person choosing to engage in such participation - WHY?

Alcohol ? Same thing. I could care less how much or how little a person drinks, or what they are doing while they drink.

Same as I do not care how much a person eats, or sleeps, or dances, or plays video games....

I am baffled why so many Americans call themselves FREE, while continuously soliciting the government to make Laws AGAINST Freedom.

God Bless,
SBC
 
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You could always have started reading at verse 4, which makes it as plain as it could possibly be that the verses which follow refer to the King of Babylon.

Or I could read the whole chapter and comprehend it is speaking of those with POWER, which is not exclusive to the king of Babylon.

God Bless,
SBC
 
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Or I could read the whole chapter and comprehend it is speaking of those with POWER, which is not exclusive to the king of Babylon.

God Bless,
SBC

You can wriggle as much as you want, the poem from verse 4 onwards refers to the King of Babylon.
 
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You can wriggle as much as you want, the poem from verse 4 onwards refers to the King of Babylon.
Lucifer is the archetype, Nebuchadnezzar II is the type.

Other types of Lucifer are: Antiochus Epiphanes and Adolf Hitler.
 
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Lucifer is the archetype, Nebuchadnezzar II is the type.

Other types of Lucifer are: Antiochus Epiphanes and Adolf Hitler.

The KJV borrowed the word Lucifer from the Latin Valuate version of the Bible, where it translates a Greek word, found in the Septuagint, which means "bringer of dawn".

Lucifer is a Latin word which means "morning star" - i.e. Venus.
 
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You can wriggle as much as you want, the poem from verse 4 onwards refers to the King of Babylon.

I am comfortable with my stance - as you also seem to be with yours.
So would you also categorize yourself as "wriggling"?

Funny!

God Bless,
SBC
 
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