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Or..... Lucifer and his angels go through more than one fall........
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Revelation tells me that the fall of Lucifer and his angels took place in the Church Age. Job and 1st Kings and 2nd Chronicles still give Satan a place in heaven.
You are trying to tie together Earth's chronology with that of heaven. Remember Revelation also talks about the "lamb slain before the foundation of the world" while we know that according to OUR time, the crucifiction took place in the 30-35 ad time frame.
Revelation 13:8 kjvBTW - the devil STILL has a place in heaven. (on occasion) Just as he had to personally petition our Lord to "sift [Peter] like wheat," he has to petition Him to harass us as well.
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
I certainly want ID taught in universities and schools but.........
"Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison."
Some universities already teach ID. Liberty University, a regionally accredited college, requires all students to take a introductory-level creation course. The key is it is not labeled a "science" class. It is instead viewed as a "creation studies" class.
The image of the future that they gave me then, and it was their image, not one that I created, surprised me. My image had previously been sort of like Star Wars, where everything was space age, plastics, and technology.
The future that they showed me was almost no technology at all. What everybody, absolutely everybody, in this euphoric future spent most of their time doing was raising children. The chief concern of people was children, and everybody considered children to be the most precious commodity in the world.
And when a person became an adult, there was no sense of anxiety, nor hatred, nor competition.
There was this enormous sense of trust and mutual respect. If a person, in this view of the future, became disturbed, then the community of people all cared about the disturbed person falling away from the harmony of the group. Spiritually, through prayer and love, the others would elevate the afflicted person.
What people did with the rest of their time was that they gardened, with almost no physical effort. They showed me that plants, with prayer, would produce huge fruits and vegetables.
People, in unison, could control the climate of the planet through prayer. Everybody would work with mutual trust and the people would call the rain, when needed, and the sun to shine.
Animals lived with people, in harmony.
Denise you are very wise thank you. My heart has yearned for a scripture of this nature. I have a really really really smart and fun plan and this helps so much, you don't even know.
And you are removing faith in the process. "Without faith it is impossible to please HIM..."
3. The future is not fixed and can change
During Karen Schaeffer's NDE, she was shown her children's future as it would exist if she decided to remain in the light. Because she decided to return, the future she was shown did not happen. This suggests that the future is always changing from moment to moment based upon our current actions and decisions. This principle supports quantum mechanic principles.
One of Margot Grey's NDE research subjects stated:
"During my experience ... I was also shown events that are likely to happen in the near future, but was made to understand that nothing is absolutely fixed and that everything depends on how we choose to use our own free will, that even those events that are already predestined can be changed or modified by a change in our own way of relating to them." (Grey, 1985, p. 123)
NDE experiencer Howard Storm was given information on how the future is not fixed:
"We have free will. If we change the way we are, then we can change the future which they showed me. They showed me a view of the future, at the time of my experience, based upon how we in the United States were behaving at that time. It was a future in which a massive worldwide depression would occur. If we were to change our behavior, however, then the future would be different." (Howard Storm)
Howard Storm was also told how a single person can change the world:
"All it takes to make a change was one person. One person, trying, and then because of that, another person changing for the better. They said that the only way to change the world was to begin with one person. One will become two, which will become three, and so on. That's the only way to affect a major change" (Howard Storm)
During Ricky Randolph's NDE, he was told virtually the same thing:
"You must return and help others to change by changing your life!" (Ricky Randolph)
Dannion Brinkley was told how the future is conditional upon human beings:
"If you follow what you have been taught and keep living the same way you have lived the last thirty years, all of this will surely be upon you. If you change, you can avoid the coming war. If you follow this dogma, the world by the year 2004 will not be the same one you now know. But it can still be changed and you can help change it." (Dannion Brinkley)
Brinkley was also told that the future is not cast in stone:
"The flow of human events can be changed, but first people have to know what they are." (Dannion Brinkley)
Brinkley also gives the following advice on how people can change the world:
"The quickest way to change the world is to be of service to others. Show that your love can make a difference in the lives of people and thereby someone else's love can make a difference in your life. By each of us doing that and working together we change the world one inner person at a time." (Dannion Brinkley)
BOX 12: Technology & Virus
The 11th box was gone & I was into the 12th box. Its visions addressed an important event in the distant future, the decade of the 90's (remember, this was 1975), when many of the great changes would take place. In this box, I watched as a biological engineer from the Middle East found a way to alter DNA & create a biological virus that would be used in the manufacture of computer chips. This discovery allowed for huge strides in science & technology. Japan, China, & other countries of the Pacific Rim experienced boom times as a result of this discovery & became powers of incredible magnitude. Computer chips produced from this process found their way into virtually every form of technology, from cars & airplanes to vacuum cleaners & blenders.
Before the turn of the century, this man was among the richest in the world, so rich that he had a stranglehold on the world economy. Still the world welcomed him, since the computer chips he had designed somehow put the world on an even keel. Gradually, he succumbed to his own power. He began to think of himself as a deity & insisted on greater control of the world. With that extra control, he began to rule the world.
His method of rule was unique. Everyone in the world was mandated by law to have one of his computer chips inserted underneath his or her skin. This chip contained all of an individual's personal information. If a government agency wanted to know something, all it had to do was scan your chip with a special device. By doing so, it could discover everything about you, from where you worked & lived to your medical records & even what kind of illnesses you might get in the future.
There was an even more sinister side to this chip. A person's lifetime could be limited by programming this chip to dissolve & kill him with the viral substance it was made from. Lifetimes were controlled like this to avoid the cost that growing old places on the government. It was also used as a means of eliminating people with chronic illnesses that put a drain on the medical system. People who refused to have chips implanted in their bodies roamed as outcasts. They could not be employed & were denied government services.
I certainly want ID taught in universities and schools but.........
it seems to me that we Christians need to apply this advice before it
can happen:
Matthew 5:25
"Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison."
What I believe Messiah Yeshua - Jesus means by this is...... agree with our opponents to the degree that our adversaries are perhaps correct...... or at least could be correct..... because there is so much information that each of us cannot possibly know enough about to be dogmatic on all subjects.
An Ancient of Days the Father, an Ancient of Days the Holy Spirit and Seven or fourteen Elohim led by the Word / Logos, who made Adam and Eve in their image....... may be first and foremost scientists, composed of fundamental or nearly fundamental energy.... according to String Theory........ who existed from eternity in the past.
If... in a sense God planned and choreographed an essentially infinite number of Big Bang or Big Flash events...... over eternity in the past.......... then perhaps before creating our ancestors Adam and Eve... maybe God got better and better and better at creation?
Before the creation of Adam and Eve it seem that Lucifer and one third of the angels had already fallen.
So..... our understanding of this statement could help to put a form of Intelligent Design back into schools........... "GOD EVOLVED BUT ADAM AND EVE WERE CREATED."
This is my attempt to agree with our Agnostic and Atheistic adversaries.... to at least some degree.
Howard Storm's light being friends told him more about the new world to come. According to them, God wished to usher in the kingdom within the next two hundred years. In order to do so, God had rescinded some of the free will given to creatures, in favor of more divine control over human events. This new world order, according to Howard, will resemble some near-death descriptions of heaven. People will live in such peace and harmony and love that communication will be telepathic, travel instantaneous and the need for clothing and shelter eliminated. The lion will indeed lie down with the lamb.
Matthew 5:25 be about brothers (believers)being involved in quarrels/wrongs/ taking one another to court(lawsuits) etc... these matters are to be resolved
quickly and within the body(church)...so believers aren't going to court where
unbelievers witness such conduct amongst children of God (who are to
be Christ's Ambassadors.)
Believers who carry on in such manner aren't being godly witnesses, they are causing God to be mocked.
Where you find in the Bible our Lord trying to find some way to be in agreement with the devil(adversary)? Where do you find the Lord trying
to find some way to be in agreement with those particular Pharisees who continually rejected and plotted against him?
In chapter six of 1 Corinthians...Paul says:
For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with
eloquent words of wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing,
but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
For it is written: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of
the intelligent I will frustrate."
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing,
but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
(verses 17 to 19)
It should at least be part of the classroom discussion, especially at the college level.
I certainly want ID taught in universities and schools but.........
it seems to me that we Christians need to apply this advice before it
can happen:
Matthew 5:25
"Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison."
What I believe Messiah Yeshua - Jesus means by this is...... agree with our opponents to the degree that our adversaries are perhaps correct...... or at least could be correct..... because there is so much information that each of us cannot possibly know enough about to be dogmatic on all subjects.
An Ancient of Days the Father, an Ancient of Days the Holy Spirit and Seven or fourteen Elohim led by the Word / Logos, who made Adam and Eve in their image....... may be first and foremost scientists, composed of fundamental or nearly fundamental energy.... according to String Theory........ who existed from eternity in the past.
If... in a sense God planned and choreographed an essentially infinite number of Big Bang or Big Flash events...... over eternity in the past.......... then perhaps before creating our ancestors Adam and Eve... maybe God got better and better and better at creation?
Before the creation of Adam and Eve it seem that Lucifer and one third of the angels had already fallen.
So..... our understanding of this statement could help to put a form of Intelligent Design back into schools........... "GOD EVOLVED BUT ADAM AND EVE WERE CREATED."
This is my attempt to agree with our Agnostic and Atheistic adversaries.... to at least some degree.
So..... our understanding of this statement could help to put a form of Intelligent Design back into schools........... "GOD EVOLVED BUT ADAM AND EVE WERE CREATED."
I certainly want ID taught in universities and schools but.........
it seems to me that we Christians need to apply this advice before it
can happen:
Huh? Agree? Hello?I certainly want ID taught in universities and schools but.........
it seems to me that we Christians need to apply this advice before it
can happen:
Matthew 5:25
"Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison."
What I believe Messiah Yeshua - Jesus means by this is...... agree with our opponents to the degree that our adversaries are perhaps correct...... or at least could be correct..... because there is so much information that each of us cannot possibly know enough about to be dogmatic on all subjects.
An Ancient of Days the Father, an Ancient of Days the Holy Spirit and Seven or fourteen Elohim led by the Word / Logos, who made Adam and Eve in their image....... may be first and foremost scientists, composed of fundamental or nearly fundamental energy.... according to String Theory........ who existed from eternity in the past.
If... in a sense God planned and choreographed an essentially infinite number of Big Bang or Big Flash events...... over eternity in the past.......... then perhaps before creating our ancestors Adam and Eve... maybe God got better and better and better at creation?
Before the creation of Adam and Eve it seem that Lucifer and one third of the angels had already fallen.
So..... our understanding of this statement could help to put a form of Intelligent Design back into schools........... "GOD EVOLVED BUT ADAM AND EVE WERE CREATED."
This is my attempt to agree with our Agnostic and Atheistic adversaries.... to at least some degree.
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