Do you want to go to heaven???????????????

[MehGuy]

Meh, I just want to ask you, what has happened in your life to cause you to believe that there isn't a God?

I was exposed to new ideas and thoughts, it eventually snow balled into me losing my faith.

 

[MrMoe]

I was exposed to new ideas and thoughts, it eventually snow balled into me losing my faith.

How do you know these ideas and thoughts are correct?

 

[greatnews]

How do you know these ideas and thoughts are correct?

he doesn't know, and at best he just thinks he knows

 

[Going Merry]

Prove god exists

 

[Victory of the Cross]

Prove god exists

That's what faith is for

 

[Going Merry]

That doesn't help Mehguy.

I am very mental about how I believe and what I believe - I wasn't sure if God even existed for the first 21 years of my life.

 

[RandomNoob]

I think the bible code, (see book title) is pretty convincing mathematical proof. (for Gods existence)

And then...the alternative (no God, we're all a random spilled glass of milk) has pretty wild implications

 

[MehGuy]

How do you know these ideas and thoughts are correct?

I don't claim to be 100% certain on anything. If I find new information that points to a God/higher power, my views will shift accordingly.

I personally believe there is no God, isn't the same as saying I know there is no God.

 

[Mayflower1]

I think it takes more faith to not believe in God. Because the basic human cell is so complex it cannot be an accident. Not to mention, the billions of stars.... how many different sorts of plants and lands, and people.... very complex... I know you say you are athiest, but do you believe there could be a higher being at least? There is so much evidence just looking out your window.

 

[ImperatorWall]

You can't reason people into salvation.

 

[Mayflower1]

I agree. Salvation is a matter of the heart. But if you look throughout the new testament, much of it in Acts, you will see how Paul and his companions, reasoned with people that Christ was the Messiah.

There is reason behind being a Christian that helps me to believe in what I don't see. 1) is in nature itself. it is far to complex to not have a creator.

 

[Mayflower1]

this is an awesome website... I haven't looked at it thoroughly, but it may be helpful if any are interested in defending your faith.

Is Christianity True? Evidence for the Truth of the Christian Religion

 

[ImperatorWall]

I agree. Salvation is a matter of the heart. But if you look throughout the new testament, much of it in Acts, you will see how Paul and his companions, reasoned with people that Christ was the Messiah.

There is reason behind being a Christian that helps me to believe in what I don't see. 1) is in nature itself. it is far to complex to not have a creator.

Paul's reasoning about Christ as the Messiah was to newly converted Jews who were full of doubt and speculation. He did not reason with non-believers. He simply preached the Gospel to them.

 

[SnowyMacie]

BLIND POST: Eh, not really. I'm really more excited about Creation being fully restored to the fullness of the Kingdom of God (Heaven).

 

[MehGuy]

I think it takes more faith to not believe in God. Because the basic human cell is so complex it cannot be an accident. Not to mention, the billions of stars.... how many different sorts of plants and lands, and people.... very complex... I know you say you are athiest, but do you believe there could be a higher being at least? There is so much evidence just looking out your window.

I do find it amazing that a reality exists, in my mind nothing should exist. The idea of a complex being creating everything raises even more questions. It's actually harder for me to swallow.

While it is amazing this universe has conditions to create life, I believe there are countless universes out there, and the majority of them are dead and unable to create life. Out of the countless universes out there, a few were bound to strike the right combinations to spring forth life.

My brain evolved to perceive certain things with awe. Outside of my mind things are neither beautiful or ugly, just neutral. I find scenes in nature beautiful because that's how my brain perceives them. I hope I'm explaining this point clear enough.

 

[crishmael]

BLIND POST: Eh, not really. I'm really more excited about Creation being fully restored to the fullness of the Kingdom of God (Heaven).

What he said.

 

[MacFall]

BLIND POST: Eh, not really. I'm really more excited about Creation being fully restored to the fullness of the Kingdom of God (Heaven).

Even though I think we mean different things by it, I basically agree.

 

[MacFall]

While it is amazing this universe has conditions to create life, I believe there are countless universes out there, and the majority of them are dead and unable to create life. Out of the countless universes out there, a few were bound to strike the right combinations to spring forth life.

I do hope you are aware that the idea of multiple Universes is based on pure speculation. It is the "solution" to a mathematical postulation. But you can prove literally anything by "solving" a given mathematical postulation. In other words it is no more likely to be true than a single Universe whose existence is the effect of a supernatural cause.

My brain evolved to perceive certain things with awe. Outside of my mind things are neither beautiful or ugly, just neutral. I find scenes in nature beautiful because that's how my brain perceives them. I hope I'm explaining this point clear enough.

What possible use could evolution have for the concept of beauty? Such emotion and sentiment is a dead loss to survival on a macro level. And furthermore, how could evolution - something unaware of and unresponsive to "beauty" - develop it? More importantly, how could a universe fundamentally without awareness cause it to happen at all?

Naturalism has yet to answer these questions satisfactorily. If theology has not done so either, then at best you're going to be trading one set of unsatisfactory answers for another one. Personally I find naturalist answers to be less satisfactory than theological ones, because at least the latter permits the logical availability of meaningful choice, morality, and purpose.

 

[MehGuy]

I do hope you are aware that the idea of multiple Universes is based on pure speculation. It is the "solution" to a mathematical postulation. But you can prove literally anything by "solving" a given mathematical postulation. In other words it is no more likely to be true than a single Universe whose existence is the effect of a supernatural cause.



What possible use could evolution have for the concept of beauty? Such emotion and sentiment is a dead loss to survival on a macro level. And furthermore, how could evolution - something unaware of and unresponsive to "beauty" - develop it? More importantly, how could a universe fundamentally without awareness cause it to happen at all?

Naturalism has yet to answer these questions satisfactorily. If theology has not done so either, then at best you're going to be trading one set of unsatisfactory answers for another one. Personally I find naturalist answers to be less satisfactory than theological ones, because at least the latter permits the logical availability of meaningful choice, morality, and purpose.

I still personally think it seems more plausible than a complex being creating the universe.

I'm not sure why our brains would evolve to find out surroundings beautiful but I suspect we didn't directly evolve to find our surroundings beautiful it was just an after effect. When itellegent beigs are involved evolution starts taking bizarre paths, such as the emergence of emotional masochism.

Well I'm pretty much a hard determinist anyways, and I don't see the need for inherent morality or purpose.

 

[MrMoe]

Prove god exists

God exists because you exist.
I don't believe someone like you came from ugly swamp creatures having mutated babies millions of years ago. MehGuy can believe that if he want's to but not me.