Do you think that the story of Adam and Eve literally happened?

[Brightmoon]

Dating methods are uncertain because they rely on assumptions that you can't know unless you have observed it since it began. How dating methods work - creation.com
Noah's flood would form layers quickly. Too late too type more sorry

. If you get science info from creationist sources , the information is usually wrong and/or they leave out important details. Noah’s Worldwide Flood would have left the entire earth’s surface hotter than molten lead . An actual Noah would have been parboiled when the water flashed into steam

 

[Andre_b]

. If you get science info from creationist sources , the information is usually wrong and/or they leave out important details. Noah’s Worldwide Flood would have left the entire earth’s surface hotter than molten lead . An actual Noah would have been parboiled when the water flashed into steam

So basically you are calling God a liar? He gave the dimensions for the ark in Genesis just for fun and giggles?

 

[The Barbarian]

So basically you are calling God a liar?

You aren't God. And your decision to take the story as a literal history is no more reliable than the decision of others to take it as an allegory. Don't make an idol of your own ability to reason.

 

[Andre_b]

You aren't God. And your decision to take the story as a literal history is no more reliable than the decision of others to take it as an allegory. Don't make an idol of your own ability to reason.

You aren't God either, so you're right now? You're making yourself an idol. So basically no one can figure it out? What's the point of reading the bible then if we can't figure out anything?

 

[Qwertyui0p]

Old towns that are researched in archaeology, provide a very accurate insight into human settlement. Especially the era or time frame that the settlement was occupied.

Here is one of those towns.

Tell es-Sultan is the oldest part of Jericho and is often called the oldest town on earth. Early hunter-gatherers settled in Tell es-Sultan around 9000 BCE and continued to fortify and expand the site. By 7000 BCE, Tell es-Sultan was a large fortified town – it was around this time that the Wall and Tower of Jericho were built to protect the settlement.
(oldest.org/culture/archaeological-sites)

It's not difficult to see that Jericho is far older than six thousand years. I doubt whether any Biblical archaeologist would disagree with the dating of Jericho.

Where do we get the 7000 BCE date from?

 

[klutedavid]

Where do we get the 7000 BCE date from?

Don't ask me I am not an archaeologist.

Do some research and find out yourself.

When you discover the methodology they use to date settlement layers. Then get back to me on that.

 

[Qwertyui0p]

Don't ask me I am not an archaeologist.

Do some research and find out yourself.

When you discover the methodology they use to date settlement layers. Then get back to me on that.

The cylinder is 300ml full. The liquid is dripping in at 50ml/hour. How long did it take for the cylinder to be filled up to 300 ml?
(Picture from this article: How dating methods work - creation.com)

 

[klutedavid]

The cylinder is 300ml full. The liquid is dripping in at 50ml/hour. How long did it take for the cylinder to be filled up to 300 ml?
(Picture from this article: How dating methods work - creation.com)

I don't think the archaeologists use that methodology to date settlement layers.

 

[Andre_b]

I don't think the archaeologists use that methodology to date settlement layers.

They use carbon dating and other dating methods of dating rock layers and artifacts found. All of which are based on assumptions as well as assuming nothing changed within that time frame and no contamination has happened which is both impossible to know for sure. Also, there has never been a double blind test on any dating method to show its reliance, yet they call this scientific, since they use some "science" in their process, lol.

 

[Brightmoon]

So basically you are calling God a liar? He gave the dimensions for the ark in Genesis just for fun and giggles?

I don’t really care either as I’m very aware that the Bible has been changed over the centuries with books being added and removed . I don’t hold the Bible to be inerrant so who cares how much an impossible-to-build wooden boat measures

 

[klutedavid]

They use carbon dating and other dating methods of dating rock layers and artifacts found. All of which are based on assumptions as well as assuming nothing changed within that time frame and no contamination has happened which is both impossible to know for sure. Also, there has never been a double blind test on any dating method to show its reliance, yet they call this scientific, since they use some "science" in their process, lol.

Well let's say that Jericho is only five thousand years old for argument sake. Do you have any idea, how much lower in the rock strata, that Dinosaurs fossils occur compared with Jericho.

This fact on its own, fires a direct hit into the hull of that idea. That the earth is only six thousand years old.

Disagree with the dating of Jericho and you might get away with a slightly younger date. But the paleontology of Dinosaurs is profoundly older.

 

[Andre_b]

I don’t really care either as I’m very aware that the Bible has been changed over the centuries with books being added and removed . I don’t hold the Bible to be inerrant so who cares how much an impossible-to-build wooden boat measures

So God can't even preserve his word? really? So why do you even believe in God? How can you trust anything in the bible then?

 

[Andre_b]

Well let's say that Jericho is only five thousand years old for argument sake. Do you have any idea, how much lower in the rock strata, that Dinosaurs fossils occur compared with Jericho.

This fact on its own, fires a direct hit into the hull of that idea. That the earth is only six thousand years old.

Disagree with the dating of Jericho and you might get away with a slightly younger date. But the paleontology of Dinosaurs is profoundly older.

You realize that the geologic column doesn't prove any dates right? Not only that the dates can be off by much more that what you say. You simply assume that it's possible it's close, but when dealing with percentages it can be way off. This is why they reject many dates since it doesn't fit their "geologic column" area so they reject it, until a test matches. They don't even know how many daughter particles existed from the start compared to the parent particles.. There are too much details to even explain how many errors exists in their dating methods. What about contamination, you cannot prove that contamination hasn't happened, which sped up or slowed the process. It's like having a candle outside burning and you have to determine when it was lit. All you can do is determine it's burning rate per hour from the day you see it until you stop your measurement. You cannot prove when it was lit because in the past the burn rate could have slowed, been turned off or almost, and you don't even know the height of the candle to begin with. Same for the parent and daughter particles.

Also, PRIOR to the flood there was a very different atmosphere (ex: Carbon/oxygen levels) and so dating things will also be affected greatly. Same for after the flood which created an ice-age which the earth is still recovering from.

The geologic column is a circular reasoning. This is one of the most widely used examples of circular reasoning. When you do a little research on the dating of 'fossils' using tests, you will find out that 'blind' studies are very rarely done and when they are, the results do not support the supposed ages of the fossils. Another problem is that the geologic column DOES NOT exist anywhere in the world. Just as an example, there are 600 MILLION years MISSING from the layers in the Palo Dura Canyon. That's a huge amount of time that is just unaccounted for. Where was this part of Texas during those 600 million years? Conclusion...there is NO 'geologic column' so how can that be used to show age or sequence of anything

 

[Job 33:6]

You realize that the geologic column doesn't prove any dates right? Not only that the dates can be off by much more that what you say. You simply assume that it's possible it's close, but when dealing with percentages it can be way off. This is why they reject many dates since it doesn't fit their "geologic column" area so they reject it, until a test matches. They don't even know how many daughter particles existed from the start compared to the parent particles.. There are too much details to even explain how many errors exists in their dating methods. What about contamination, you cannot prove that contamination hasn't happened, which sped up or slowed the process. It's having a candle outside burning and you have to determine when it was lit. All you can do is determine it's burning rate per hour from the day you see it until you stop your measurement. You cannot prove when it was lit because in the past the burn rate could have slowed, been turned off or almost, and you don't even know the height of the candle to begin with. Same for the parent and daughter particles.

Also, PRIOR to the flood there was a very different atmosphere (ex: Carbon/oxygen levels) and so dating things will also be affected greatly. Same for after the flood which created an ice-age which the earth is still recovering from.

The geologic column is a circular reasoning. This is one of the most widely used examples of circular reasoning. When you do a little research on the dating of 'fossils' using tests, you will find out that 'blind' studies are very rarely done and when they are, the results do not support the supposed ages of the fossils. Another problem is that the geologic column DOES NOT exist anywhere in the world. Just as an example, there are 600 MILLION years MISSING from the layers in the Palo Dura Canyon. That's a huge amount of time that is just unaccounted for. Where was this part of Texas during those 600 million years? Conclusion...there is NO 'geologic column' so how can that be used to show age or sequence of anything

Are you aware of relative dating methods in which Hutton used to understand an ancient age for earth, some 200+ years before radioactive dating was discovered?

For example, there is a double turned angular unconformity in the silurian rocks of New York. This same unconformity is bordered by fault gouge and has animal burrows within vertical rock within. It is the contact of the shawangunk and Bloomsburg formations.

How do you propose that general physics could account for such a structure in a young earth?

 

[Andre_b]

Are you aware of relative dating methods in which Hutton used to understand an ancient age for earth, some 200+ years before radioactive dating was discovered?

For example, there is a double turned angular unconformity in the silurian rocks of New York. This same unconformity is bordered by fault gouge and has animal burrows within vertical rock within. It is the contact of the shawangunk and Bloomsburg formations.

How do you propose that general physics could account for such a structure in a young earth?

The flood is the one that placed all these layers. How can you overlook this? Vertical rock and mountains were created after the flood after the tectonic plates were moving and generating massive pressure against each other, the ring of fire, and more.

 

[Job 33:6]

The flood is the one that placed all these layers. How can you overlook this? Vertical rock and mountains were created after the flood after the tectonic plates were moving and generating massive pressure against each other, the ring of fire, and more.

Do you have an actual explanation for how the flood made such a feature?

 

[Andre_b]

Do you have an actual explanation for how the flood made such a feature?

I just told you, flood and some volcanic activity when the fountains of the deep broke open. You realize that the entire process of the flood lasted ~1 year right?

Explain to me how do most mountains in the world including Mt. Everest has sea shells and most clams in the closed position?

 

[Job 33:6]

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I just told you, flood and some volcanic activity when the fountains of the deep broke open. You realize that the entire process of the flood lasted ~1 year right?

Explain to me how do most mountains in the world including Mt. Everest has sea shells and most clams in the closed position?

"The flood did it" has never been and never will be an adequate explanation fo anything.

I could say that a global flood built my house too, but until there is an actual explanation of how this is so, then such a response is meaningless.

 

[Andre_b]

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"The flood did it" has never been and never will be an adequate explanation fo anything.

I could say that a global flood built my house too, but until there is an actual explanation of how this is so, then such a response is meaningless.

"Slow process over time" has never been an adequate explanation for anything like mountains and the grand canyon.

 

[SeamusDelion]

And here we go trying to disprove historicaly literal biblical events to discredit the Bible...


Yeah, not happening.