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Do you think it's Christian to own guns?

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I'm sorry but you can't twist scripture to suit yourself He wants our ALL not just what suits us
So does that mean that you would never call the police if you saw someones home being robbed? As there is a strong possibility that the 'secular forces' that we choose to call would use lethal force to stop the assailant, then this would make us just as culpuble as the police if they were to shoot someone.
 
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So does that mean that you would never call the police if you saw someones home being robbed? As there is a strong possibility that the 'secular forces' that we choose to call would use lethal force to stop the assailant, then this would make us just as culpuble as the police if they were to shoot someone.
If I knew the robber would be shot I certainly wouldn't call the police. I'd rather lose my effects than have him shot
 
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If I knew the robber would be shot I certainly wouldn't call the police. I'd rather lose my effects than have him shot
That's not quite what I said. My reference was to your neighbour who you knew was at home while the house was being robbed. For that matter, we can add in that his wife and children were probably at home as well; so would you deem it right to call the local 'armed secular force' to overpower and maybe kill the assailant, or is his life more valuable than that of the family who he is about to rob and possibly kill.
 
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That's not quite what I said. My reference was to your neighbour who you knew was at home while the house was being robbed. For that matter, we can add in that his wife and children were probably at home as well; so would you deem it right to call the local 'armed secular force' to overpower and maybe kill the assailant, or is his life more valuable than that of the family who he is about to rob and possibly kill.
As stated, if I knew the assailment would be shot I would not call the police
 
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As stated, if I knew the assailment would be shot I would not call the police
As the many life choices that we have to make can often have some unforseen consequences, does this mean that you would choose to allow the assailant to not only rob your neighbours family home (who could possibly be a friend), where there is also a strong possiblity that one or all of them could be shot; as against choosing to call someone to stop the assailant.

This means that you would be prepared to side with the armed assailant who is probably entering the home being prepared to kill, but you are not prepared to stand up for your neighbour.

For that matter, if you were to witness an armed intruder who is about to enter your neighbours home, would you give them a phone call to warn them and would you do this if you knew that your neighbour also owned a gun?
 
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As the many life choices that we have to make can often have some unforseen consequences, does this mean that you would choose to allow the assailant to not only rob your neighbours family home (who could possibly be a friend), where there is also a strong possiblity that one or all of them could be shot; as against choosing to call someone to stop the assailant.

This means that you would be prepared to side with the armed assailant who is probably entering the home being prepared to kill, but you are not prepared to stand up for your neighbour.

For that matter, if you were to witness an armed intruder who is about to enter your neighbours home, would you give them a phone call to warn them and would you do this if you knew that your neighbour also owned a gun?
If it was reported the assailant had a gun then 'yes' but I wouldn't be happy about it knowing how 'click-happy' the police and population are.
 
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Dozens of free advanced nations round the globe have lived gun-free for decades and never experienced tyranny.

Be patient. It will happen sooner or later. It always does.

Human nature has not changed
 
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If it was reported the assailant had a gun then 'yes' but I wouldn't be happy about it knowing how 'click-happy' the police and population are.
If you had of replied along the line that you would not be prepared to call anyone into action who owned a gun, be it a member of the police or even the householder, then you would at least be consisent with your stance; as I mentioned, life can certainly be complicated and the choices that we sometimes have to make can even go against our heart felt views.

I could rephrase my earlier question a bit by asking, if we both lived in the US, would you (or me) call a local police force if we knew that the local towns police or sherrif's department had a reputation for being gun-waiving thugs, now this could certainly throw a spanner into the equation particularly if the home invader were to be maybe black or hispanic.
 
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What's worse - the gun-waiving thugs or the gun-waiving cops? all the same

Add to those your innocent neighbors Biblicist was asking about before. An armed burglar breaks into your neighbor's house and you witness this happening. Are you not going to call the "gun-waiving cops", as you refer to them, because you think that they are the same as the "gun-waiving thugs" who broke into your neighbor's home? You just said it yourself, "all the same".
 
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You're trying to split hairs here You know very well what my answers are. I don't think the Lord will be too happy with you using scripture to justify the fact you hold guns to slaughter people it's complete hypocrisy and you know it
 
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You're trying to split hairs here You know very well what my answers are.
Malvina, if nothing else, my particular line of tack does suggest that the gun issue is not all that simple as we Australians in particular would like to think it is.

As I've mentioned before, here in Australia things are quite different to that of the USA (at least for the time being), where our culture has never seen the need to settle our differences via the gun; though there was a brief skirmish in 1854 where six police and 22 miners were killed, but even here they eventually made the leader of the Eureka Stockade from being a rebel leader into a member of Parliament and they also named a suburb here in Melbourne after him.

I don't think the Lord will be too happy with you using scripture to justify the fact you hold guns to slaughter people it's complete hypocrisy and you know it
If that was his sole reason for owning a gun then you would be right to criticise him, but as most people own a gun either for recreation or for protection then this is another matter.

As for calling the police to protect a neighbour's family, should we be calling the police as this might be giving an opportunity for a sadist to pull his gun just so that he could kill someone without the risk of being jailed. I've included a link to an article about an Officer Daryl A. Carle who said on his Facebook account:

“I love my job!!! They said you want kill people and not go to jail?? I said “— ya, Who don’t?… They said you afraid of the jungle?? I said “I ain’t scared of s–… I’ve been wanting go jungle since watched that Predator movie…I love my job!!!!!! Lol,”

Even though this clown, who was also given his job back is an utter disgrace, we need to of course keep in mind that he does not represent all US police officers, though he certainly does seem to represent a large number who are nothing less than Neanderthals and narcistic sadists.
 
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Wait a minute . . . so you're now saying that we are to all go out and buy a gun (sword)!

Why not, there is no sin in the bible of owning a gun, as long as your country allows you to.
 
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Why not, there is no sin in the bible of owning a gun, as long as your country allows you to.
You're quite right of course but my flippant remark to Malvina was to point out that as Malvina is anti-gun, I was surprised that she provided a Scripture that had Jesus telling us that we were to each go out and buy a gun (or a sword); that's one of those passages that anti-gun activists tend to keep away from.

In my own case, even though I am strongly against the private ownership of guns here in Australia; if I were to work in the US for a time, I would imagine that given the right conditions that I could possibly open-carry, but if given the choice I would prefer to go concealed-carry . . . it can be too hard to match the colour of the pistol with the shoes and socks!
 
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Still wanting to go off topic I see.

While you're at it, why not break out your bible for once, and show us where owning a tool in society is listed as a sin by The Holy Spirit.

No inference, no twisting of scripture to suit your personal views, show us where it specifically lists owning a tool as a confirmed sin with GOD.

By the way, here's a picture for you of my candidate Donald Trump, feel triggered?
Well that says it all.
As for pic if he gets in God Help America. He's a joke to the world and half of America
 
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Well that says it all.
As for pic if he gets in God Help America. He's a joke to the world and half of America
I used to think much the same myself, but so far, he seems to be the only one who has any semblence of an idea when it comes to international relations. Even though he is a billionair (they usually can't be trusted), he does seem to be unaligned with the horrid US military-industrial complex which seems to be behind most of the world's current problems. But is he perfect, or even an ideal candidate, maybe not, but at least his foreign policies seem to make a bit of sense.
 
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I used to think much the same myself, but so far, he seems to be the only one who has any semblence of an idea when it comes to international relations. Even though he is a billionair (they usually can't be trusted), he does seem to be unaligned with the horrid US military-industrial complex which seems to be behind most of the world's current problems. But is he perfect, or even an ideal candidate, maybe not, but at least his foreign policies seem to make a bit of sense.

Friend you're allowed to your views and I'm allowed to mine. I believe there's too much violence in this world I wouldn't kill a person - or an animal. I've become hard-up for Christmas because I refuse to see anymore of our feral cats go away to be gassed. I am spending my pension on getting them de-sexed so that they can remain in society here and become someone's pet.
If I killed a person or animal I would think about it for ever after
You see we are not all the same and as I said earlier, I do not think it is Christian to own guns
 
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Well that says it all.
As for pic if he gets in God Help America. He's a joke to the world and half of America

Where is that stated sin in our bibles about how I shall not inherit the kingdom of GOD because I owned a tool? This is the place where you are suppose to prove your point scripturally.

And Mr Trump will certainly be our president and fix all the things that the communists have failed us in. As for hillary, she's going to prison.
 
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I used to think much the same myself, but so far, he seems to be the only one who has any semblence of an idea when it comes to international relations. Even though he is a billionair (they usually can't be trusted), he does seem to be unaligned with the horrid US military-industrial complex which seems to be behind most of the world's current problems. But is he perfect, or even an ideal candidate, maybe not, but at least his foreign policies seem to make a bit of sense.

I don't want to turn my discussion here into an off topic political subject, but Trump is golden,...

 
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Where is that stated sin in our bibles about how I shall not inherit the kingdom of GOD because I owned a tool? This is the place where you are suppose to prove your point scripturally.

And Mr Trump will certainly be our president and fix all the things that the communists have failed us in. As for hillary, she's going to prison.
It's not a tool friend - it's a lethal weapon! that you are prepared to use on your neighbour or anyone else that comes in your way and that you store - enabling your family to do the same.
 
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