Do you think it's Christian to own guns?

[Aldebaran]

Who ever calls on the name of the lord will be saved..
Does not only mean saved in this life...
For though he die..yet he will live.
There are those that seek to save thier life...and yet will lose it eternally...
Faith ..need not be concerned.

You ignored most of what I said, but I'm not surprised about that anymore.

So maybe you can address something I asked you before and you didn't respond to. I mentioned that not everything people do to others that is evil (or "mean" as you would say) is motivated by a demon. So simply trying to cast out a demon from someone who is trying to harm or kill you is not always applicable. In fact, it seems to be only a minority of the time. If you read the Gospels, you'll notice many times when someone wanted to do harm to Jesus or his disciples, they didn't cast out a demon. The motivation was often greed, power, jealousy, revenge, etc. So if someone is breaking into my house and they have knife or gun that they are willing to use in order to kill me so they can steal things, or be initiated into a gang, or whatever, there isn't necessarily a demon there to be cast out or subdued. Do you understand?

 

[Alithis]

You ignored most of what I said, but I'm not surprised about that anymore.

So maybe you can address something I asked you before and you didn't respond to. I mentioned that not everything people do to others that is evil (or "mean" as you would say) is motivated by a demon. So simply trying to cast out a demon from someone who is trying to harm or kill you is not always applicable. In fact, it seems to be only a minority of the time. If you read the Gospels, you'll notice many times when someone wanted to do harm to Jesus or his disciples, they didn't cast out a demon. The motivation was often greed, power, jealousy, revenge, etc. So if someone is breaking into my house and they have knife or gun that they are willing to use in order to kill me so they can steal things, or be initiated into a gang, or whatever, there isn't necessarily a demon there to be cast out or subdued. Do you understand?

i understand that your basing a lot of what you say on your personal opinion .not scriptures .
should we trust in Gd fully .or only partially ?

 

[Aldebaran]

i understand that your basing a lot of what you say on your personal opinion .not scriptures .
should we trust in Gd fully .or only partially ?

What did I say that is not based on scripture? You don't specify what you mean. You just make general comments like that, which doesn't further the discussion. Are you implying that everything is due to being possessed by a demon? Do you think all problems can be solved by saying to someone, "I cast out your demon in the name of Jesus"?

Be specific in your comments, and then we can have a discussion. I was specific when I wrote to you in my previous post. You could have addressed what I said and told me where you think I'm wrong. You still have that chance, so again....

I mentioned that not everything people do to others that is evil (or "mean" as you would say) is motivated by a demon. So simply trying to cast out a demon from someone who is trying to harm or kill you is not always applicable. In fact, it seems to be only a minority of the time. If you read the Gospels, you'll notice many times when someone wanted to do harm to Jesus or his disciples, they didn't cast out a demon. The motivation was often greed, power, jealousy, revenge, etc. So if someone is breaking into my house and they have knife or gun that they are willing to use in order to kill me so they can steal things, or be initiated into a gang, or whatever, there isn't necessarily a demon there to be cast out or subdued. Do you understand?

 

[Alithis]

What did I say that is not based on scripture? You don't specify what you mean. You just make general comments like that, which doesn't further the discussion. Are you implying that everything is due to being possessed by a demon? Do you think all problems can be solved by saying to someone, "I cast out your demon in the name of Jesus"?

Be specific in your comments, and then we can have a discussion. I was specific when I wrote to you in my previous post. You could have addressed what I said and told me where you think I'm wrong. You still have that chance, so again....

I mentioned that not everything people do to others that is evil (or "mean" as you would say) is motivated by a demon. So simply trying to cast out a demon from someone who is trying to harm or kill you is not always applicable. In fact, it seems to be only a minority of the time. If you read the Gospels, you'll notice many times when someone wanted to do harm to Jesus or his disciples, they didn't cast out a demon. The motivation was often greed, power, jealousy, revenge, etc. So if someone is breaking into my house and they have knife or gun that they are willing to use in order to kill me so they can steal things, or be initiated into a gang, or whatever, there isn't necessarily a demon there to be cast out or subdued. Do you understand?

doesnt answer the question.. should we trust in God fully ..or only partially ?

 

[Aldebaran]

doesnt answer the question.. should we trust in God fully ..or only partially ?

Oh, now I get it! You think it's ok to demand answers to your questions while you continue ignoring all of mine. Honest and civil discussions don't work that way. But it does show an arrogance on your part if you think only your questions deserve answers, or are even worth considering. It also tells me much about your credibility.

When you're ready to have an actual discussion, let me know. In the meantime:

What did I say that is not based on scripture? You don't specify what you mean. You just make general comments like that, which doesn't further the discussion. Are you implying that everything is due to being possessed by a demon? Do you think all problems can be solved by saying to someone, "I cast out your demon in the name of Jesus"?

Be specific in your comments, and then we can have a discussion. I was specific when I wrote to you in my previous post. You could have addressed what I said and told me where you think I'm wrong. You still have that chance, so again....

I mentioned that not everything people do to others that is evil (or "mean" as you would say) is motivated by a demon. So simply trying to cast out a demon from someone who is trying to harm or kill you is not always applicable. In fact, it seems to be only a minority of the time. If you read the Gospels, you'll notice many times when someone wanted to do harm to Jesus or his disciples, they didn't cast out a demon. The motivation was often greed, power, jealousy, revenge, etc. So if someone is breaking into my house and they have knife or gun that they are willing to use in order to kill me so they can steal things, or be initiated into a gang, or whatever, there isn't necessarily a demon there to be cast out or subdued. Do you understand?

 

[Alithis]

Oh, now I get it! You think it's ok to demand answers to your questions while you continue ignoring all of mine. Honest and civil discussions don't work that way. But it does show an arrogance on your part if you think only your questions deserve answers, or are even worth considering. It also tells me much about your credibility.

When you're ready to have an actual discussion, let me know. In the meantime:

What did I say that is not based on scripture? You don't specify what you mean. You just make general comments like that, which doesn't further the discussion. Are you implying that everything is due to being possessed by a demon? Do you think all problems can be solved by saying to someone, "I cast out your demon in the name of Jesus"?

Be specific in your comments, and then we can have a discussion. I was specific when I wrote to you in my previous post. You could have addressed what I said and told me where you think I'm wrong. You still have that chance, so again....

I mentioned that not everything people do to others that is evil (or "mean" as you would say) is motivated by a demon. So simply trying to cast out a demon from someone who is trying to harm or kill you is not always applicable. In fact, it seems to be only a minority of the time. If you read the Gospels, you'll notice many times when someone wanted to do harm to Jesus or his disciples, they didn't cast out a demon. The motivation was often greed, power, jealousy, revenge, etc. So if someone is breaking into my house and they have knife or gun that they are willing to use in order to kill me so they can steal things, or be initiated into a gang, or whatever, there isn't necessarily a demon there to be cast out or subdued. Do you understand?

I dont answer the questions that have only been asked in response to questions lol. They are designed to lead down a rabbit hole and distract from the heart of the topic..
Trust in God above trust in carnal ability to defend self. It refers back to the question. Are we to trust God fully.. Or only partially.. ?

 

[Aldebaran]

I dont answer the questions that have only been asked in response to questions lol. They are designed to lead down a rabbit hole and distract from the heart of the topic..
Trust in God above trust in carnal ability to defend self. It refers back to the question. Are we to trust God fully.. Or only partially.. ?

The questions I asked were not in response to questions. Let's take a look at them:

"What did I say that is not based on scripture?" That was in response to an accusation.

"Are you implying that everything is due to being possessed by a demon? Do you think all problems can be solved by saying to someone, "I cast out your demon in the name of Jesus"?" A couple of simple questions that you continue to fail to answer. None of these questions lead down a rabbit hole and distract from the heart of the topic. They are my questions to you. A civil and productive conversation involves questions and answers on both sides. You apparently think only your questions deserve answers. I don't respect people who think that way. It shows that you don't have much actual faith in your own position.

So, are you going to answer my questions, or will you continue to stonewall?

 

[Alithis]

The questions I asked were not in response to questions. Let's take a look at them:

"What did I say that is not based on scripture?" That was in response to an accusation.

"Are you implying that everything is due to being possessed by a demon? Do you think all problems can be solved by saying to someone, "I cast out your demon in the name of Jesus"?" A couple of simple questions that you continue to fail to answer. None of these questions lead down a rabbit hole and distract from the heart of the topic. They are my questions to you. A civil and productive conversation involves questions and answers on both sides. You apparently think only your questions deserve answers. I don't respect people who think that way. It shows that you don't have much actual faith in your own position.

So, are you going to answer my questions, or will you continue to stonewall?

Should we trust in God fully ..or only partially ? the Scripture says "fully".. you imply ..partially .thus what you say is not based upon scripture . easy see .

so back to that question - Should we trust in God fully ..or only partially ?

 

[Aldebaran]

Should we trust in God fully ..or only partially ? the Scripture says "fully".. you imply ..partially .thus what you say is not based upon scripture . easy see .

so back to that question - Should we trust in God fully ..or only partially ?

You simply refuse to answer my questions. Well, I'll be the bigger man here and answer yours and see if you can return the favor, ok? Does that work for you?

We should fully trust in God for what He has promised us.

There, your question has been answered after you have demonstrated an inability to engage in a civil discussion. Now, let's see if you can return the courtesy:

What did I say that is not based on scripture? You don't specify what you mean. You just make general comments like that, which doesn't further the discussion. Are you implying that everything is due to being possessed by a demon? Do you think all problems can be solved by saying to someone, "I cast out your demon in the name of Jesus"?

Be specific in your comments, and then we can have a discussion. I was specific when I wrote to you in my previous post. You could have addressed what I said and told me where you think I'm wrong. You still have that chance, so again....

I mentioned that not everything people do to others that is evil (or "mean" as you would say) is motivated by a demon. So simply trying to cast out a demon from someone who is trying to harm or kill you is not always applicable. In fact, it seems to be only a minority of the time. If you read the Gospels, you'll notice many times when someone wanted to do harm to Jesus or his disciples, they didn't cast out a demon. The motivation was often greed, power, jealousy, revenge, etc. So if someone is breaking into my house and they have knife or gun that they are willing to use in order to kill me so they can steal things, or be initiated into a gang, or whatever, there isn't necessarily a demon there to be cast out or subdued. Do you understand?

 

[Alithis]

You simply refuse to answer my questions. Well, I'll be the bigger man here and answer yours and see if you can return the favor, ok? Does that work for you?

We should fully trust in God for what He has promised us.

There, your question has been answered after you have demonstrated an inability to engage in a civil discussion. Now, let's see if you can return the courtesy:

What did I say that is not based on scripture? You don't specify what you mean. You just make general comments like that, which doesn't further the discussion. Are you implying that everything is due to being possessed by a demon? Do you think all problems can be solved by saying to someone, "I cast out your demon in the name of Jesus"?

Be specific in your comments, and then we can have a discussion. I was specific when I wrote to you in my previous post. You could have addressed what I said and told me where you think I'm wrong. You still have that chance, so again....

I mentioned that not everything people do to others that is evil (or "mean" as you would say) is motivated by a demon. So simply trying to cast out a demon from someone who is trying to harm or kill you is not always applicable. In fact, it seems to be only a minority of the time. If you read the Gospels, you'll notice many times when someone wanted to do harm to Jesus or his disciples, they didn't cast out a demon. The motivation was often greed, power, jealousy, revenge, etc. So if someone is breaking into my house and they have knife or gun that they are willing to use in order to kill me so they can steal things, or be initiated into a gang, or whatever, there isn't necessarily a demon there to be cast out or subdued. Do you understand?

..i csnt be more specific..your posting pagraphs to avoid this Q.
should we trust in God fully...or just partially?

 

[Aldebaran]

..i csnt be more specific..your posting pagraphs to avoid this Q.
should we trust in God fully...or just partially?

And your repeating the same question (even though I just answered you, but you obviously didn't read it to notice) avoids answering ANY of the questions I have asked you several times now. You know what that indicates? It indicates that your attitude is one that says that your point of view is the only one that matters, and that you are the only one that has anything to say that's worth even considering or addressing. What should I conclude about what you have to say when you display such arrogance? Should I conclude that having the kind of faith you claim to have makes a person more Godly? In reality, it tells me that whatever you're doing, I should do the opposite. I don't want to be the kind of person you're showing yourself to be.

Please take a look at how you conduct yourself before talking at others about what they should do. Your actions and attitude speak louder than your words.

So, once again, the answer to your question is We should fully trust in God for what He has promised us.

Now, put your attitude aside and try answering what I've asked you.

 

[Alithis]

And your repeating the same question (even though I just answered you, but you obviously didn't read it to notice) avoids answering ANY of the questions I have asked you several times now. You know what that indicates? It indicates that your attitude is one that says that your point of view is the only one that matters, and that you are the only one that has anything to say that's worth even considering or addressing. What should I conclude about what you have to say when you display such arrogance? Should I conclude that having the kind of faith you claim to have makes a person more Godly? In reality, it tells me that whatever you're doing, I should do the opposite. I don't want to be the kind of person you're showing yourself to be.

Please take a look at how you conduct yourself before talking at others about what they should do. Your actions and attitude speak louder than your words.

So, once again, the answer to your question is We should fully trust in God for what He has promised us.

Now, put your attitude aside and try answering what I've asked you.

why so you did..clap clap clap.
missed it on this tiny phone.

ok we should trust God fully...

you added the rest threrby changing the question.
he has promised in revelations that those who are to die by sword will do so and those who are to go into captivity ..will do so.
so buying a gun to shoot an intruder is not fully trusting God.
that the point i entered the thread with.
it remains the same.
evetything else your adding is only self justifications

 

[grandvizier1006]

It's not really Christian or un-Christian. It's more of a cultural thing. I'd ask that the Europeans on here be respectful of the Americans who own guns.

 

[Auriga]

why so you did..clap clap clap.
missed it on this tiny phone.

ok we should trust God fully...

you added the rest threrby changing the question.
he has promised in revelations that those who are to die by sword will do so and those who are to go into captivity ..will do so.
so buying a gun to shoot an intruder is not fully trusting God.
that the point i entered the thread with.
it remains the same.
evetything else your adding is only self justifications

Aldeb also asked you some questions that you still didn't answer. As a gun owner myself, I'd like to hear what you (as a Charismatic) have to say about those things. I've known people who became charismatic, and they often spoke the same way as you do, and it made it very difficult to relate to them. Very narcissistic and self-righteous and doesn't seem to reflect what our Lord teaches us to be. That's the impression I get when I see someone push their own point of view while totally disregarding someone else's.

 

[Aldebaran]

Aldeb also asked you some questions that you still didn't answer. As a gun owner myself, I'd like to hear what you (as a Charismatic) have to say about those things. I've known people who became charismatic, and they often spoke the same way as you do, and it made it very difficult to relate to them. Very narcissistic and self-righteous and doesn't seem to reflect what our Lord teaches us to be. That's the impression I get when I see someone push their own point of view while totally disregarding someone else's.

I can relate. What I read in how Alithis responds to what people say to him just reinforces that idea. But what gets me is how the very people who claim they are so much into faith and power of the spirit can become this way. It makes a person wonder if these people could be for real. But from what I've seen from Alithis, I take his example to be something NOT to become.

 

[Aldebaran]

why so you did..clap clap clap.
missed it on this tiny phone.

ok we should trust God fully...

you added the rest threrby changing the question.
he has promised in revelations that those who are to die by sword will do so and those who are to go into captivity ..will do so.
so buying a gun to shoot an intruder is not fully trusting God.
that the point i entered the thread with.
it remains the same.
evetything else your adding is only self justifications

An answerer can't "change" a question. However, they can give you an answer that may not be what you were hoping for.

As for the rest, I refer you to post 655.

 

[Alithis]

Aldeb also asked you some questions that you still didn't answer. As a gun owner myself, I'd like to hear what you (as a Charismatic) have to say about those things. I've known people who became charismatic, and they often spoke the same way as you do, and it made it very difficult to relate to them. Very narcissistic and self-righteous and doesn't seem to reflect what our Lord teaches us to be. That's the impression I get when I see someone push their own point of view while totally disregarding someone else's.

ouh here is an idea ..make it about me and call me names like narcissistic and self-righteous to detract from the topic when you find you can't self justify a lack of faith by using scripture .. hmmm that will work . ..

well whats gods point of view ?

james says we should not just do what we do but we should say "if the Lord wills ".. so did you ask the lord what his will for you is before you got your gun ?
or. did you get your gun to go hunting with ?
or did you get your gun to "protect your life " you see motive plays 100% part in this topic and it's the one thing few are honest about .
if you got a gun to hunt with ..you probably would not care to much about the topic
if you got it to protect your life .. in all probability you struggle to believe the word of God where the rubber meets the road -ie its a nice concept on sunday but when some one breaking into your back door well "get out of the way God i don't trust you to take care of this situation " ....heart motive .. thats where god looks ..
I don't presume to know any ones heart motive .. judge yourself -but God knows the truth of the matter in each of us .i sure if gun ownership was as easy where i live ,i would be equally as tempted to succumb to the false illusory security

 

[Alithis]

I can relate. What I read in how Alithis responds to what people say to him just reinforces that idea. But what gets me is how the very people who claim they are so much into faith and power of the spirit can become this way. It makes a person wonder if these people could be for real. But from what I've seen from Alithis, I take his example to be something NOT to become.

Just because you do not like my replies in that i do not compromise my views to appease you ,nor pander to your many rabbit holes inviting me to be led astray off the central point places you as judge over me now ? interesting ..perhaps you desire to shoot me ..

 

[Alithis]

i get it .. you love your guns -it upsets you to be challenged on the motives behind your love for them .. get over it. if you remain chrsitian they wil soon be removed from you .

oh and don't tel me you don't love them until you have wrecked them and tossed them in a river ,then i'd believe you .

 

[Aldebaran]

ouh here is an idea ..make it about me and call me names like narcissistic and self-righteous to detract from the topic when you find you can't self justify a lack of faith by using scripture .. hmmm that will work . ..

If I see self righteous and narcissistic behavior, is it so wrong for me to point it out? You seem to have no problem with saying things against me though. So you're just proving my point.

if you got a gun to hunt with ..you probably would not care to much about the topic
if you got it to protect your life .. in all probability you struggle to believe the word of God where the rubber meets the road -ie its a nice concept on sunday but when some one breaking into your back door well "get out of the way God i don't trust you to take care of this situation " ....heart motive .. thats where god looks ..
I don't presume to know any ones heart motive .. judge yourself -but God knows the truth of the matter in each of us .i sure if gun ownership was as easy where i live ,i would be equally as tempted to succumb to the false illusory security

So what's wrong with having self defense as a motive? I don't see anything wrong with that at all--scripturally or otherwise. Christians have defended themselves with a firearm on many occasions.