Do you think it's Christian to own guns?

[jiminpa]

We do understand it:

1.- God was teaching.
2.- God was preparing his people
3.- God was establishing his Church

Life is not that important what is important is what comes after it.

Um, God also told people to go to war--same God.

 

[Ned Netterville]

Based on your post in which you said you would not use violence to stop someone attacking your family.



And how would you do that?



Please quote this alleged "insult" or apologize for the slander.

 

[Ned Netterville]

How would I do that? Think about it. Read some more Scripture, and I'm sure you'll be able to come up with the answer yourself.

As for your insult, go back and read your initial response to my post. However, you needn't apologize. I've already forgiven you.

 

[South Bound]

How would I do that? Think about it. Read some more Scripture, and I'm sure you'll be able to come up with the answer yourself.

As for your insult, go back and read your initial response to my post. However, you needn't apologize. I've already forgiven you.

There was no insult. that's why you were unable to quote the insult.

 

[Ned Netterville]

God set up governments

No he didn't set up any governments, at least not governments as we know them, which is to say governments whereby some men and women rule other men and women by force. Force of law, you may say, but laws are not self enforcing. That is done by agents of the state. Human government is anethema to God. Legislatures usurp God's prerogative as man only legitmate lawmaker.

 

[Ned Netterville]

There was no insult. that's why you were unable to quote the insult.

If you insist there was no insult, copy what you wrote and paste it for all to see again and let the others here judge whether you post was insulting, meant to be insulting or was just simple ignorance. Posting an insult in the form of a question does not save it from being insulting. Be a good boy, do that, and let others judge. I have no interest in searching out your post, but I would certainly welcome you doing so Oh, and btw, snark and sarcasm are also insulting.

However, I'm afraid I find myself concurring with you regarding the Confederate Battle Flag, since most of the Confederate soldiers had no slaves, but generally out fought the Yankees because they were defending their homeland against an invading army.

Also, since my son now has the last of my once-many guns, and as a pacifist I would deign use one for self-defense or defense of others, I am nonetheless a stronger opponent of gun-control than most gun owning members of the NRA. Expressed simply, my brief against gun control is that it is in reality people control through the use of force, violence and coercion. In other words, gun control is violence. Those who support it are in favor of sending armed government agents out to use force and violence to control the benign behavior of harmless people who own or would like own guns. The right to gun ownership and rights of gun owners are no different than the right to free speech and the rights of people who speak. All ought be held inviolate by one and all. My brief is against violence, not guns.

 

[redleghunter]

I don't believe collecting guns is a sin either! This thread is really about the fanatics and the fact that there are so MANY guns making it much easier for any unbalanced person to get hold of them to use and create carnage especially in this time of drugs

Now I think THIS is fanatical! I feel so sorry for these poor kids This is what one member just posted, What chance do these kids have?

"I will say this thread helped me with my holiday shopping today. My 11 and 16 yr old sons will have two new shiny .22 rifles for Christmas. Just in time to use on the school rifle team"
I'm going to name the rifles Lexington and Concord. I will put them in the safe with my AP-4 which is named Crusader.

It's poor manners not to tag a poster when using their comments.

My sons are on archery and rifle teams. You have issues with that? I am an US Army veteran of 25 years. I know how to teach responsible fire arm safety and shooting.

On another note the premise you gave above on why you posted this thread is fallacious. You asked if Jesus would own a gun. Somehow now you are only addressing crazy gun owners.

Please make up your mind.

 

[malvina]

Southbound has words in his signature. What this is all about really is that despite achieving Independence Americans are still not free. They've never accepted their Independence like other pre-Commonwealth nations and make this obvious year after year and by hanging on to their guns The reason it seems are the memories of the bloodbaths and because there are many areas that are still not free.
What UK and other nations did to add to their Commonwealth was totally inhumane - just as they did when entering Australia slaughtering the Aboriginals
I hope that in this next world Jesus will alter man to become more like the ones He first intended but man has a long way to go.
I've done a few hours studying these happenings and I am sorry to you guys for any upset I may have caused you.

 

[SeventyOne]

In Luke 22:36 Jesus told his disciples that if they didn't have a sword to defend themselves to sell their coat/cloak and buy one.

And the kicker is that they already had two swords in their possession. They didn't have to go buy any because they were both walking with Jesus and already armed.

 

[redleghunter]

Southbound has words in his signature. What this is all about really is that despite achieving Independence Americans are still not free. They've never accepted their Independence like other pre-Commonwealth nations and make this obvious year after year and by hanging on to their guns The reason it seems are the memories of the bloodbaths and because there are many areas that are still not free.
What UK and other nations did to add to their Commonwealth was totally inhumane - just as they did when entering Australia slaughtering the Aboriginals
I hope that in this next world Jesus will alter man to become more like the ones He first intended but man has a long way to go.
I've done a few hours studying these happenings and I am sorry to you guys for any upset I may have caused you.

First point would be, yes in the Kingdom which will come God glorifies His saints and we become like Him. So that is a promise straight from Jesus Christ.

Second point I agree with you on the American colonies differing from the other commonwealth colonies. Americans fought and won their independence. So we know how precious our liberties are and how easy despots will strive to restrict them. Frankly the other commonwealth nations would still be such if the Americans did not challenge the crown's tyranny.

There is much to be said of appreciating something you earn and being complacent when it is handed to you on a silver platter. So I will be the first to say "you are welcome."

Lastly, you have once again taken another poster to task without tagging them to your comments. That is poor forum manners.

 

[Biblicist]

Southbound has words in his signature. What this is all about really is that despite achieving Independence Americans are still not free. They've never accepted their Independence like other pre-Commonwealth nations and make this obvious year after year and by hanging on to their guns The reason it seems are the memories of the bloodbaths and because there are many areas that are still not free.
What UK and other nations did to add to their Commonwealth was totally inhumane - just as they did when entering Australia slaughtering the Aboriginals
I hope that in this next world Jesus will alter man to become more like the ones He first intended but man has a long way to go.
I've done a few hours studying these happenings and I am sorry to you guys for any upset I may have caused you.

You're probably getting very close to the core of the issue where the US was founded through a Civil War (Revolutionary War), where it not only fought against its legal government but with its own citizens. If you look at its early history in particular, you will discover that the various colonies often employed force against each other; where for example Maryland and Pennsylvania "went to war" beginning way back in the 1600's. Beside the other State skirmishes, we can also point to the War of 1812 where many New Englanders weren't all that happy with a war with England and then there was the second Civil War over slavery where upwards of 650,000 people died, which resulted in more deaths that all of the other wars that the US has been involved in, including WW1 & WW2.

For an Australian (as you and I both are), we can very easily view private gun ownership through our own eyes, where our country was voluntarily formed by six British Colonies through peaceful means; as we have not used guns to sort out our differences, except with the brief Ballarat Rebellion here in Victoria in 1854 where the miners rebelled against a corrupt police force, then the need for guns to protect our families and to ensure that our Government behaves seems very odd to us. But again, we are two very different cultures, where here in Australia I would stand against any relaxation of our gun laws, but if I was working in the US, then I would probably seriously consider either open-carrying of a weapon or at least with concealed-carry.

 

[Biblicist]

. . .Second point I agree with you on the American colonies differing from the other commonwealth colonies. Americans fought and won their independence. So we know how precious our liberties are and how easy despots will strive to restrict them. Frankly the other commonwealth nations would still be such if the Americans did not challenge the crown's tyranny.

There is much to be said of appreciating something you earn and being complacent when it is handed to you on a silver platter. So I will be the first to say "you are welcome." . . .

From the perspective of an outsider, I would have to ask why your first Civil War (Revolutionary War) was necessary in the first place? I know that the Canadians had a brief skirmish over independence sometime in the 1830's but they soon got over it and moved on. Who knows, if the US had of remained in the Commonwealth then slavery would have been abolished years earlier without the need for the US to have slaughtered over 650,000 of its own citizens to a war that did not really do all that much in the end. It was probably only in the 1960's that the US finally achieved its aim of abolishing slavery along with its continuing lynchings through to the 1960's.

 

[malvina]

First point would be, yes in the Kingdom which will come God glorifies His saints and we become like Him. So that is a promise straight from Jesus Christ.

Second point I agree with you on the American colonies differing from the other commonwealth colonies. Americans fought and won their independence. So we know how precious our liberties are and how easy despots will strive to restrict them. Frankly the other commonwealth nations would still be such if the Americans did not challenge the crown's tyranny.

There is much to be said of appreciating something you earn and being complacent when it is handed to you on a silver platter. So I will be the first to say "you are welcome."

Lastly, you have once again taken another poster to task without tagging them to your comments. That is poor forum manners.

Lastly, you have once again taken another poster to task without tagging them to your comments. That is poor forum manners

Had I done this I would have just been quoting someone else not Southbound at all = aren't you splitting hairs?
Really it's always been war for the Americans but it is getting that way for everyone else now... 'Nation will fight against Nation? I'ts all happening
Bye the way Redleghunter You've no right to dictate to me or anyone

 

[Tina W]

Apart from those needing them for living - do you think people should own guns?
I cannot tie Jesus up with a gun-owner that has them for the sake of having them

I personally don't like guns, they scare me, but it's not a sin to own a gun. A gun is no different than the weapons they had in biblical times like swords and knives and rocks as in stoning people. It's what people DO with them that makes it a sin.

Well, Jesus lived His life for an example for us to follow - would He have owned a gun?

He was a carpenter so I'm sure He owned some tools that could be used as weapons. It's not the tools, it's what people do with them. I don't like guns but it's not a sin to own one for those who want to own them.

We know that Peter carried a sword in John 18:10 which would make us wonder if he or others carried swords during their travels with Jesus to ward of any potential bandits.

Right, and if guns had been invented back then they would have had guns.

 

[ChronosFT]

I also posted from a report yesterday based on CDC reports. Did you know that of those Fatalities 61% of those are suicides, not crimes, accidents, etc.
Guns are not the Cause of suicides. It seems to me that there are other social issues that need to be addressed to stop so many suicides from happening.

Yes, I saw that, and I knew that already. As a Christian, are you okay with people choosing to commit suicide?

Do you also acknowledge that some of those suicides occurred after someone else shot the rest of their family at the same time? Is this not also a concern?

 

[Sheeple Shepherd]

Yes, I saw that, and I knew that already. As a Christian, are you okay with people choosing to commit suicide?

Do you also acknowledge that some of those suicides occurred after someone else shot the rest of their family at the same time? Is this not also a concern?

There are two sins that cannot be atoned for.
Blaspheme against the Holy Spirit.
Suicide, obviously because you are dead, dead people cannot atone for sin.

 

[Mary7]

We know that Peter carried a sword in John 18:10 which would make us wonder if he or others carried swords during their travels with Jesus to ward of any potential bandits.

And Jesus rebuked him for using it.

 

[Sheeple Shepherd]

From the perspective of an outsider, I would have to ask why your first Civil War (Revolutionary War) was necessary in the first place? I know that the Canadians had a brief skirmish over independence sometime in the 1830's but they soon got over it and moved on. Who knows, if the US had of remained in the Commonwealth then slavery would have been abolished years earlier without the need for the US to have slaughtered over 650,000 of its own citizens to a war that did not really do all that much in the end. It was probably only in the 1960's that the US finally achieved its aim of abolishing slavery along with its continuing lynchings through to the 1960's.

Our 'first war', the Revolutionary War was fought against the British and was NOT a Civil War.

Why? The first Settlers fled CATHOLIC persecution.


Slaves were freed in 1865, not the 1960s.

 

[Sheeple Shepherd]

And Jesus rebuked him for using it.

No he didn't.

 

[Mary7]

What "fees"?

She was referring to the medical costs. So many people die here in the US from not having the money to pay for medical costs. So many have died from having pre existing illnesses and were refused insurance due to that. I have 2 children that were considered uninsurable yet at the time they were able to work so could not draw disability. We had to come up with the money for all doctors, meds and hospital bills which equaled massive bills. It costs thousands just to walk into a hospital.
You better believe I am for the same system that most of Europe, Scandinavia and Canada has and I assume also Australia.