Do you surrender your free will when you are Born Again?

[bling]

First off we need to define free will.

Jesus has placed us on earth subject to physical laws that we cant break so in that sense we are not given absolute free will in the first place.

Total surrender to Him is a condition to be met to be born again.

This gives Him permission to exercise total control of our lives as He wills.

How does that sound so far???

OK, but what keeps us from taking leaving are surrendering freedom condition to turn again to follow satan?

Can we still quench the Spirit?

"Gal. 6: 9 Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up." sounds like we can give up after we have been sowing seeds of righteousness and loss our home in heaven.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Apart from God's grace and kindness, redeeming, healing, and regenerating me my will isn't free at all.

"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it?" - Jeremiah 17:9

"Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me." - Psalm 51:5

"And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind." - Ephesians 2:1-3

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Carl Emerson]

OK, but what keeps us from taking leaving are surrendering freedom condition to turn again to follow satan?

Can we still quench the Spirit?

"Gal. 6: 9 Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up." sounds like we can give up after we have been sowing seeds of righteousness and loss our home in heaven.

We miss out on the harvest - the fruit of our efforts and therefore eternal reward. Salvation is a different matter.

 

[concretecamper]

First off we need to define free will.

Jesus has placed us on earth subject to physical laws that we cant break so in that sense we are not given absolute free will in the first place.

Total surrender to Him is a condition to be met to be born again.

This gives Him permission to exercise total control of our lives as He wills.

How does that sound so far???

I don't see how being Baptized cause one to surrender one's free will.

 

[BobRyan]

First off we need to define free will.

Jesus has placed us on earth subject to physical laws that we cant break so in that sense we are not given absolute free will in the first place.

Total surrender to Him is a condition to be met to be born again.

This gives Him permission to exercise total control of our lives as He wills.

How does that sound so far???

1. Mankind is born in slavery to sin - Rom 3:19-20 (Romans 6 slaves of the one we obey).
2. God supernaturally draws ALL mankind John 12:32 and this enables free will for mankind to choose the Gospel exit ... or else remain slaves to sin.
3. Once we are born-again... saved.. we have the same "risk" as did Adam and Eve so then in Matthew 18, and Romans 11 and Hebrews 6 and 1Cor 6 and a great many other places - scripture warns us against falling away and being "Severed from Christ"

Romans 11 "you stand only by your faith.. should fear for if He did not spare them He may not spare you either"

Matthew 18 "I forgave you all that debt.. you should have forgiven others just as I forgave you... turn him over until he should repay ALL that was owed" Jesus concludes with "SO shall My Father do to each one of you IF you do not forgive your brother from your heart"

 

[Carl Emerson]

I don't see how being Baptized cause one to surrender one's free will.

Which Baptism are you referring to?

 

[concretecamper]

Which Baptism are you referring to?

according to scripture, there is only one

 

[Tigger45]

Which Baptism are you referring to?

Only one baptism,

Ephesians 4:5-6

5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

 

[Carl Emerson]

I wont bite on that issue - my dialogue is aroound the Surrender of the will required in the matter of being Born Again.

 

[BobRyan]

I wont bite on that issue - my dialogue is aroound the Surrender of the will required in the matter of being Born Again.

always a matter of free will choice as Romans 11 points out and as Christ points out in Matthew 18

 

[Carl Emerson]

What is ??

 

[concretecamper]

my dialogue is aroound the Surrender of the will

I can't remember surrending my will at 6 weeks of age.

 

[Carl Emerson]

To be born again do we have to surrender to His will?

 

[ViaCrucis]

To be born again do we have to surrender to His will?

John 1:12-13

So, on the contrary: One cannot surrender to God unless one has been born again. This surrender is not a loss of our volition, it is the freedom that comes from a new life in Jesus Christ by the power of the Spirit.

We do not lose our free will when we have been adopted by God by His grace; since in truth the sinful will of unregenerate man is not truly free. "Without faith it is impossible to please God." So that the volition of the flesh is not pleasing to God, because man under his own power is opposed to God.

When we read in Romans that we were once God's enemies, it does not mean that God was our enemy, but that we were enemies to God. So the enmity of the flesh against God is from us to Him.

It is this slavery and bondage which God has liberated us from so freely and wonderfully by His grace. To enjoy the freedom of God means that we are no longer God's enemies, but God's children by His grace. And since we are children, we are free.

"And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, 'Abba! Father!' So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God." - Galatians 4:6-7

"For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery." - Galatians 5:1

So when we consider, in light of our Baptism, how full and wonderful is the grace of God who having joined us to Christ and given us new life in Him, that we should be slaves to sin no longer, but slaves to God. But the slave of God is no mere slave, but is a ransomed slave, a freeman. And the ransom price was the life of God's own Son. And so now free to love and serve God we have true liberty; for what we had formerly was not liberty but captivity. The shackles and chains of sin and death is not liberty, but Christ has made us free. He has opened wide the doors, prepared the banquet hall, called us brothers, that we should sit at His Table and dwell in the House of God forever.

-CryptoLutheran