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Do you need to believe in certain doctrines to be saved?

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jinkazama

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Since there are so many denominations, each of them have their own doctrins about salvation, sin, end times and relationships between the godheads, even though all of them seem to believe under a umbrella, but when start to begin dig a bit deeper you noticed they are vastly different for example freewill vs predestination, calvinism vs armianism, modalis vs trintiarism, eternal torment vs conditional immortality, and the lists go on and on.

Can a person who believes in Christ and live by his word, but maybe not as theological developed as a theologian be saved, for example, supposed cults, like mormons, seven day adventists, oneness penecostals,etc?

It is by grace and by faith in God we are saved, if a person either ignorant, misinformed of understaning the concept of trinity and rejects it, but lives and breath by it, can he or she be save?
 
Sometimes the less theology you know the better.

Christ was the Son of God.

He was born of the virgin and became man.

He died on the cross.

He rose from the dead.

He asks us to beleive in that and to follow his commandments.

Feed the hungry.
Clothe the naked.
Comfort the afflicted.
Visit the sick and elderly.
Love one another as he loves us.
Above all Love God more than anything else.
 
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eoe said:
Christ was the Son of God.

He was born of the virgin and became man.

He died on the cross.

He rose from the dead.

He asks us to beleive in that and to follow his commandments.

Feed the hungry.
Clothe the naked.
Comfort the afflicted.
Visit the sick and elderly.
Love one another as he loves us.
Above all Love God more than anything else.

Could not say this better myself!
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Doctrines are good - Jesus is necessery!
 
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Febe said:
Could not say this better myself!
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Doctrines are good - Jesus is necessery!


Sounds good to me but talk to the professors at the seminaries, they will tell you the there are certain essential beliefs that a christian may need to know to be saved, kind a bit of a stretched, huh?
 
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Th Lord Jesus is the only Way to Salvation. We can agree to disagree on all other matters.

Mark 9:40 and Luke 9:50 are Scriptures tat record The Lord Jesus' response to the Apostles' question whether they did right in stopping a man performing miracles in the Name of Jesus, because the stranger was "not of us". Jesus said that they should not have stopped the man, because "anyone who not against us is for us". I believe this means that the various Christion denominations need to work together.
 
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The bleeding woman, the roman officer, the dying thief and many more apparently didn't have much of a doctrine. And the apostles themselves... whew, arguing and quarreling and betraying and sleeping and building huts for Abraham and so forth.

So, no. You don't need doctrine. You need Jesus.
 
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jinkazama said:
Sounds good to me but talk to the professors at the seminaries, they will tell you the there are certain essential beliefs that a christian may need to know to be saved, kind a bit of a stretched, huh?

Not exactly...understanding is a part of faith when it affects the nature of God or Christ or interpretations of scripture. For example, part of Christianity is the essential belief that Christ was the Son of Man, Son of God, and Himself wholly God. If you instead pull the whole "He was a good person and wise teacher" cop-out, then you are not a Christian, IMHO. If you define God either in ways directly contradictory to His nature as described in the Bible or in ways narrow to the full message of the Bible (God of Wrath but not God of Mercy or vice versa) then you are also not really worshipping God, because the real God is the God of the Bible.

So some doctrines are incredibly important. The stuff in the various Creeds (Nicene, etc) is a great example...these really are things that are the core doctrines of Christianity. When you get to Calvinism vs. Arminianism vs. Other or Covenant vs. Dispensationalism vs. Other, on the other hand, I think every person needs to work it out on their own, and that sometimes your own ideas or holding off on a judgement on the issue are the most valid opinions.

There are even some issues you can get around with sufficient effort...a strong examination of certain of these issues resolves them into pseudo-problems.
 
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Paul put it simply in his letter to the church at Rome.
Romans 10: 9 That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
 
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Yes, Proper Doctrine Is Most Certanly Required.

Proverbs 4:2 For I give you good doctrine, forsake ye not my law.

Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

Act 13:12 Then the deputy, when he saw what was done, believed, being astonished at the doctrine of the Lord.

Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

John 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

2nd John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

Titus 2:1 But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:

2nd Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

2nd Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

2nd Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

1st Timothy 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

2nd John 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Galatians 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.


The Good News!
John 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

James 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.


Those are only a few verses on the subject; but as you see, it is very important! "As he thinketh in his heart, so is he" (Pro 23:7), what you are is shaped by your doctrine.

Sincerely, Zach Doty
 
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Merlin said:
Paul put it simply in his letter to the church at Rome.
Romans 10: 9 That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.

Precisely. It's not simply a "what" to trust -- it's a "Who".

There are some teachings that will blind you to the Savior, that will make you lose sight of Jesus Christ and turn to works or idols or someone who's no savior at all. That's the basic problem of wrong teaching: endangerment. But despite the endangerment, if you have truly relied on the true Savior for your salvation, theology has little recourse but to confirm that you have eternal life (Jn 3:16).
 
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I think people focus way too much on doctrine. When He was here, He was a healer to some, Messiah to others, King to yet others and so forth. The bible also describes Him as servant, brother, eternal God, judge, lamb, lion, prince, Lord etc etc. The "correct" doctrine about Christ would take up an entire library.

Paul, too, picked up the principle of being all things to all men. Whatever you need, Jesus is it. For my own part, right now I need Him as my shepherd more than anything. Jesus doesn't change, but He knows different people need different things at different times.

Therefore I will trust HIM, not some doctrine which could, at best, merely define an iota of one speck of a shadow of who Jesus is.

I don't use creeds and teachings when talking about my friends or introducing my mum to a buddy. Why should I have to do that with Jesus? No, I will testify of what I've seen and heard.
 
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jinkazama said:
It is by grace and by faith in God we are saved

Perhaps you don't understand what a doctrine is. Let me illustrate:

If you believe the doctrine that "It is by grace and by faith in God we are saved". Can you be saved if you don't believe that doctrine?

I hope this clarifies this for you.
 
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merlin said:
Paul put it simply in his letter to the church at Rome.
Romans 10: 9 That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
I think this is a case of taking single verses in isolation and making too much of them.

The demons, as James said, know that Jesus is Lord and that God raised Him from the dead. Does that mean they are saved? You need to take the lesson of the WHOLE Gospel.

Believing in Jesus is not just accepting a statement of fact, or reciting a line or two, it is following Jesus, being a trusting disciple, and trying to do what He taught.

As far as creeds and doctrines are concerned, the Catholic Church teaches that we are judged by our state of understanding. If we trust Jesus, and follow Him and know nothing of Creeds and doctrines, then we can be saved. If we know what the Creeds say, if we understand the importance of key teachings and then reject them willfully, this can threaten our status in the Lord, for it is rejecting His revelation.
 
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IgnatiusOfAntioch said:
Perhaps you don't understand what a doctrine is. Let me illustrate:

If you believe the doctrine that "It is by grace and by faith in God we are saved". Can you be saved if you don't believe that doctrine?

I hope this clarifies this for you.
True. But a doctrine is merely a... definition of sorts, or an explanation. It's the person Jesus who saves, not the doctrine.
 
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holo said:
IgnatiusOfAntioch said:
Perhaps you don't understand what a doctrine is. Let me illustrate:

If you believe the doctrine that "It is by grace and by faith in God we are saved". Can you be saved if you don't believe that doctrine?

I hope this clarifies this for you.

True. But a doctrine is merely a... definition of sorts, or an explanation.

The Doctrines are beliefs Faith. Without doctrine, there is no faith or beliefs. Without this there is no salvation.

Peace be with you.

Your brother in Chist.
 
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jinkazama said:
It is by the relationship of Christ that are saved,.

Again, you don't understand what doctrine is. You believe in the doctrine the It is by the relationship of Christ that are saved. If someone doesn't believe the doctrine that It is by the relationship of Christ that are saved, then they can't be saved.
Doctrine is what we believe is necessary to be saved.

Your brother in Christ.
 
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jinkazama said:
Since there are so many denominations, each of them have their own doctrins about salvation, sin, end times and relationships between the godheads, even though all of them seem to believe under a umbrella, but when start to begin dig a bit deeper you noticed they are vastly different for example freewill vs predestination, calvinism vs armianism, modalis vs trintiarism, eternal torment vs conditional immortality, and the lists go on and on.

Can a person who believes in Christ and live by his word, but maybe not as theological developed as a theologian be saved, for example, supposed cults, like mormons, seven day adventists, oneness penecostals,etc?

It is by grace and by faith in God we are saved, if a person either ignorant, misinformed of understaning the concept of trinity and rejects it, but lives and breath by it, can he or she be save?

The ONLY thing you need to do to be saved is to believe in Jesus and accept him as your Lord and Savior.
 
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