BarryDesborough
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There is no evidence of unnatural origin. The only problem for me is if it was God, where did He come from? It gods all the way down?
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There is no evidence of unnatural origin. The only problem for me is if it was God, where did He come from? It gods all the way down?Why do Naturalists on this forum not want to learn and discuss their limitations and weaknesses that clearly show their foundation is based on faith and trust?
No evidence of origin. All that Naturalism promotes as evidence can be from use of matter and natural properties that were created.
Naturalists cannot prove otherwise.
Back to square one. Naturalists walk by faith. They don't like to hear that.
Or have many Naturalists on this forum failed to learn this?
Who might be failing to learn?
With all due respect, you don't comprehend reality. Listening to people talk about naturalism is like watching children ignore the toy and play with the box. You simply don't get it. This world is a meaningless construct. It has no real value. It was constructed for a purpose, it will serve its purpose, and then it will be destroyed by its Creator. What matters is not the container, but the content; the souls of man. There isn't a single natural law that supercedes the will of God, as He has demonstrated hundreds of times throughout man's history. He gave man the spirit to Know Him and the free will to chose whom he would serve; God or evil.No you don't have an explanation, you have some made up reason based on nothing more than your own beliefs to keep your old beliefs in a young Earth - you admitted that yourself when you "explained" it as; "god snapped his fingers". That is not an explanation of anything but a made up story which only purpose is to serve as a mental denial of any evidence about the reality.
There is no evidence of unnatural origin. The only problem for me is if it was God, where did He come from? It gods all the way down?
Believe what you like, but life evolved, and is still evolving. All the evidence points to that. That is reality. Your beliefs don't change it. I discuss evolution on boards like this not to attack Christianity. (I was taught about evolution by Christians.) I do it to defend the truth and reason.With all due respect, you don't comprehend reality. Listening to people talk about naturalism is like watching children ignore the toy and play with the box. You simply don't get it. This world is a meaningless construct. It has no real value. It was constructed for a purpose, it will serve its purpose, and then it will be destroyed by its Creator. What matters is not the container, but the content; the souls of man. There isn't a single natural law that supercedes the will of God, as He has demonstrated hundreds of times throughout man's history. He gave man the spirit to Know Him and the free will to chose whom he would serve; God or evil.
If God had chosen to use natural forces to create the world over bilklions of years or to use evolution to create life, it would have been no less miraculous. However, He chose to create the universe in six days and chose to create all living things intact. That is reality. Pretending that He doesn't exist and trying to find some way that everything came about without God is foolishness. The more you try to sound enlightened, the more foolish you sound. The more you disrespect the Creator, the less respect we have for you.
The original question was, do we believe in evolution. The answer for many of us is quite obviously "No." We don't believe in evolution because we have discovered the truth. Trying to convince a Christian that God doesn't exist is like trying to convince a husband that his wife doesn't exist. It does make me wonder about the motives of someone who comes to a Christain forum and does nothing but attack Christianity. The fact is, Christ affirmed ALL the Scriptures, including a six day creation and the creation of man from the dust of the earth by God. Jesus would be considered a Young Earth Creationist. Since Jesus who WAS THERE confirms that the scriptures are correct INCLUDING the book of Genesis, then I know that is the truth. Theories of science can never trump the word of God. People who don't understand that science is limited the study of the physical world will never open their minds to real truth. It's sad, really. They come here acting like they know everything and we know nothing, and all they succeed in doing is proving Psalms 14:1 to be true.
With all due respect, you don't comprehend reality. Listening to people talk about naturalism is like watching children ignore the toy and play with the box. You simply don't get it. This world is a meaningless construct. It has no real value. It was constructed for a purpose, it will serve its purpose, and then it will be destroyed by its Creator. What matters is not the container, but the content; the souls of man. There isn't a single natural law that supercedes the will of God, as He has demonstrated hundreds of times throughout man's history. He gave man the spirit to Know Him and the free will to chose whom he would serve; God or evil.
If God had chosen to use natural forces to create the world over bilklions of years or to use evolution to create life, it would have been no less miraculous. However, He chose to create the universe in six days and chose to create all living things intact. That is reality. Pretending that He doesn't exist and trying to find some way that everything came about without God is foolishness. The more you try to sound enlightened, the more foolish you sound. The more you disrespect the Creator, the less respect we have for you.
The original question was, do we believe in evolution. The answer for many of us is quite obviously "No." We don't believe in evolution because we have discovered the truth. Trying to convince a Christian that God doesn't exist is like trying to convince a husband that his wife doesn't exist. It does make me wonder about the motives of someone who comes to a Christain forum and does nothing but attack Christianity. The fact is, Christ affirmed ALL the Scriptures, including a six day creation and the creation of man from the dust of the earth by God. Jesus would be considered a Young Earth Creationist. Since Jesus who WAS THERE confirms that the scriptures are correct INCLUDING the book of Genesis, then I know that is the truth. Theories of science can never trump the word of God. People who don't understand that science is limited the study of the physical world will never open their minds to real truth. It's sad, really. They come here acting like they know everything and we know nothing, and all they succeed in doing is proving Psalms 14:1 to be true.
Please try and type something that makes a bit of sense.Of a real two sided coin, which is shown the most or exclusively by Naturalists?
And define Naturalism as based on faith?
No ... I'm going to rush out and get a college degree in evolution, so I can come back here and tell you guys that God created the earth in six literal days and be called a "liar," instead of being called "ignorant."But you are certainly continue going to be willful ignorant about the facts and the evidence?
LOL ... looks like either way I'm a liar.That way he can only be accused of lying when he says or implies that he cares about learning.
You capitalized "the Earth."Btw, why do you set a "[sic]" after 'Earth' ?
CabVet, I go out and get a PhD in evolution, then come back and state that God created the earth in six literal days.That would not be lying and you know it. You would however be accused of lying if you said: "Scientific evidence indicates that God created..."
So, what is the reason that God created this "meaningless construct?" Does your god do things to no purpose? In any case, this is nothing but an assertion on your part. Those who have not lived their life to the fullest cannot come back and ask for a refund after their death, now can they? Not even if they find that this mortal realm is indeed all there is for them.With all due respect, you don't comprehend reality. Listening to people talk about naturalism is like watching children ignore the toy and play with the box. You simply don't get it. This world is a meaningless construct. It has no real value. It was constructed for a purpose, it will serve its purpose, and then it will be destroyed by its Creator. What matters is not the container, but the content; the souls of man. There isn't a single natural law that supercedes the will of God, as He has demonstrated hundreds of times throughout man's history. He gave man the spirit to Know Him and the free will to chose whom he would serve; God or evil.
That is NOT reality... that is your belief. It makes far more sense to me for a god to have done things the former way rather than the latter. That is what the evidence... the reality.. tells us.If God had chosen to use natural forces to create the world over bilklions of years or to use evolution to create life, it would have been no less miraculous. However, He chose to create the universe in six days and chose to create all living things intact. That is reality. Pretending that He doesn't exist and trying to find some way that everything came about without God is foolishness. The more you try to sound enlightened, the more foolish you sound. The more you disrespect the Creator, the less respect we have for you.
The original question was, do we believe in evolution. The answer for many of us is quite obviously "No." We don't believe in evolution because we have discovered the truth. Trying to convince a Christian that God doesn't exist is like trying to convince a husband that his wife doesn't exist. It does make me wonder about the motives of someone who comes to a Christain forum and does nothing but attack Christianity. The fact is, Christ affirmed ALL the Scriptures, including a six day creation and the creation of man from the dust of the earth by God. Jesus would be considered a Young Earth Creationist. Since Jesus who WAS THERE confirms that the scriptures are correct INCLUDING the book of Genesis, then I know that is the truth. Theories of science can never trump the word of God. People who don't understand that science is limited the study of the physical world will never open their minds to real truth. It's sad, really. They come here acting like they know everything and we know nothing, and all they succeed in doing is proving Psalms 14:1 to be true.
There you go! Thank you!Which is what nuclear physicist Robert Gentry, geologist Andrew Snelling and handful others intellectual dishonest scientist are claiming about polonium halos...
You don't capitalize "earth" as in "dirt", but you do when it is the proper name of a planet, as in "The third rock from the Sun is the planet called Earth."You capitalized "the Earth."
God didn't create evolution.
[Theistic] evolution says we are copy errors; whereas God says we are created in the the image and likeness of Him -- no mistakes.
We didn't come from the seed of an animal, we came from the dust of the ground.
Why are you telling me this, chief?You don't capitalize "earth" as in "dirt", but you do when it is the proper name of a planet, as in "The third rock from the Sun is the planet called Earth."
It's similar with gods. People believe in lots of gods. Yours happens to be named, "God", so we capitalize the word in that context, just as we capitalize "Zeus" or "Rama" or "Flying Spaghetti Monster".
Depends if you mean the dirt or the planet.Why are you telling me this, chief?
He asked me why I suffixed his "the Earth" with a "[sic]" ... and I told him because he capitalized "the Earth".
You don't capitalize "the Earth" -- you capitalize "Earth"; but not "the earth."
You're new here, aren't you?Dude, where is the evidence? Just because the bible says something doesn't make it true. The Harry Potter series says a lot too. Doesn't make it true.
PS: Without science, we wouldn't have computers, thus no websites, thus this forum wouldn't exist. So science can take a hike, and we can hike back to the Stone Age.
Dude, where is the evidence? Just because the bible says something doesn't make it true. The Harry Potter series says a lot too. Doesn't make it true.
PS: Without science, we wouldn't have computers, thus no websites, thus this forum wouldn't exist. So science can take a hike, and we can hike back to the Stone Age.
A lot of good, hardworking people dedicated their lives to developing our knowledge of the natural world. Some of them died doing it. You are not going to get away with trying to steal science from them to try and shore up your faltering faith.Obviously, science relates to matter and its properties.
This is fundamental from the Creation.
Unfortunately, Naturalists promote exclusivity to science by religious belief that by ownership of the Scientific Method they control science.
It doesn't work that way. Science belongs to the Creator. What comes about through science and technology is from the Creator - not Naturalism.
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