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I agree -- but it didn't grow old, it came into existence old.
It seems weird that tree ring patterns would consistently extend back thousands of years prior to creation.With a fake history and everything?
It seems weird that tree ring patterns would consistently extend back thousands of years prior to creation.
I agree -- but it didn't grow old, it came into existence old.
That, by definition is deism; and we're not deists.
Except that tree rings are formed only because of one process: when a growing tree is exposed to seasonal changes in weather (wet/dry, cold/hot). The formation of rings is so precise that rings of trees in the same region (exposed to same weather), even those of different species, can be matched ring to ring because their growth rate is the same.
Now, when God creates a tree ex-nihilo, there is no need to put those growth rings there for the simple reason that the tree did not experience any growth. In other words, the trees have rings because they experienced growth, not because they are old. Age has nothing to do with it, history does. It just so happens that history of growth correlates very well (99.999%) with age since there is only one growth season per year. So we calculate the age from the history.
If your "embedded age" idea were correct, we should be able to count back to 4,000 in tree rings and the trail would stop there. Unfortunately for embedded age, that is not the case as in nature we find broken lines of rings going back at least 10,000 years.
Here an interesting article from a source that I think you should find reliable:
Are tree-ring chronologies reliable?
If tree ring histories were sort of "faked" into the world at the moment of creation... then we truly live in a stone-washed universe.
Yikes.
Sure. As far as i can tell no one ever came into existence already an adult.
Then I see where the problem lies in this discussion: your science is interfering with your understanding of Genesis 1.
A very good point. I have been trying to convince AVET that there is a history on this planet longer than 6,100 years, and this is a good example of that. I would also like to point out that tree rings are not at all necessary for a "mature" tree created from scratch. You can create a mature tree with a thick trunk with no rings at all... the rings don't do anything for the tree. You can create wood cell layers without them, assuming you can create them at all.
I think you mean Genesis 2.
These trees that supposedly record a history longer than 6100 years ... do they record a global flood in Noah's time?
I suspect it's more than just Ussher's dating I would have to be jettisoning if I accepted dendrochronology.
I don't buy dendrochronology on principle.
No, sir ... Genesis 1.
These trees that supposedly record a history longer than 6100 years ... do they record a global flood in Noah's time?
I suspect it's more than just Ussher's dating I would have to be jettisoning if I accepted dendrochronology.
I don't buy dendrochronology on principle.
Concerning the moon, the Bible says ...What's wrong with jettisoning things if they don't fit the facts?
Taken together, all information on the dates of various objects has an extremely high likelihood that there are objects older than 6100 years old. Or that have been in existence for longer.
Well, there's no mention of any adults in Genesis 1, so either you made a mistake and meant Genesis 2, or you're adding to the Bible... again.
Taken together, all information on the dates of various objects has an extremely high likelihood that there are objects older than 6100 years old. Or that have been in existence for longer.
I dont think there's really any choice but to view the specific details of the creation story as mythical.Concerning the moon, the Bible says ...
Genesis 1:16a And God made...
Am I supposed to jettison that in respect to one of six different sets of "facts" ... all of which exclude God?
Concerning the moon, the Bible says ...
Genesis 1:16a And God made...
Am I supposed to jettison that in respect to one of six different sets of "facts" ... all of which exclude God?
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