Do you believe sin can be ranked on it's severity?

[RDKirk]

Hell means the grave, both end up in the same place, but when Jesus comes...

Rev 22:12 “And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work.

Some will receive more stripes than others as Jesus stated.

If you combine that with Jesus' teaching and parables, you see that he's talking about faithful stewards. Faithful stewards were given tasks commensurate with their abilities, and their rewards will be commensurate with their effort. Note, however, that for a faithful steward, the reward for good work...is more work.

That implies that the rewards of heaven (the magnitudes of heavenly stewardships) are variable according to ability. The faithful will have the stewardships they can successfully handle, which is why there won't be envy over the varying sizes of the stewardships. I already know I can't handle the size of stewardship that Paul could handle. I wouldn't want his stewardship; it would keep me awake at night.

There are three words in the New Testament that some bibles translate indiscriminately as "hell." "Gehenna" is the word in scripture that Jesus used for the hell of eternal destruction beyond the grave (Hades). Some bibles translate Gehenna when Jesus used it as "hellfire." Gehenna is eternal destruction, and eternal destruction is eternal destruction.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

If you combine that with Jesus' teaching and parables, you see that he's talking about faithful stewards. Faithful stewards were given tasks commensurate with their abilities, and their rewards will be commensurate with their effort. Note, however, that for a faithful steward, the reward for good work...is more work.

That implies that the rewards of heaven (the magnitudes of heavenly stewardships) are variable according to ability. The faithful will have the stewardships they can successfully handle, which is why there won't be envy over the varying sizes of the stewardships. I already know I can't handle the size of stewardship that Paul could handle. I wouldn't want his stewardship; it would keep me awake at night.

There are three words in the New Testament that some bibles translate indiscriminately as "hell." "Gehenna" is the word in scripture that Jesus used for the hell of eternal destruction beyond the grave (Hades). Some bibles translate Gehenna when Jesus used it as "hellfire." Gehenna is eternal destruction, and eternal destruction is eternal destruction.

The wages of sin is death Rom 6:23 there will be a punishment for sin according to ones work before death and it will not all be the same. You are free to believe God will punish someone who lived a decent life but choose not to believe in Jesus Christ as the same punishment as someone who was a mass murderer, it's not what the scriptures teach or what Jesus stated as previously shown through the scriptures, so I guess we will have to agree to disagree

 

[soldier of light]

What's worse, the sin of witchcraft or the sin of adultery? or are they all equally bad?

Are there sins that can only harm the sinner only? If someone gets drunk to the point they pass out and die vs them driving a car and getting into a accident.
If they pass out and die before they get into any car they only harmed themselves.

Does God see sins that can only harm the sinner the same as a serial killer? Because that wouldn't make sense but I don't make the rules.

What do you know?

God considers rebellion to be like witchcraft so all sin is bad.

1 Samuel 15:23 For rebellion is as the sin of [a]witchcraft,
And stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry.
Because you have rejected the word of the Lord,
He also has rejected you from being king.”

 

[Palmfever]

What's worse, the sin of witchcraft or the sin of adultery? or are they all equally bad?

Are there sins that can only harm the sinner only? If someone gets drunk to the point they pass out and die vs them driving a car and getting into a accident.
If they pass out and die before they get into any car they only harmed themselves.

Does God see sins that can only harm the sinner the same as a serial killer? Because that wouldn't make sense but I don't make the rules.

What do you know?

3 different sins that I have found in scripture. Perhaps not a complete list, but in my opinion the important ones.
We are a spirit living in a vehicle designed for life on earth. It is a vehicle designed for two, our spirit and the Spirit of God.
Fornication is a trashing of the vehicle in which Gods Spirit resides.
1 Cor 6:18
Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body. 19 Don’t you realize that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, who lives in you and was given to you by God? You do not belong to yourself, 20 for God bought you with a high price. So you must honor God with your body.


God places a high value on the children.
Mat 18:6
“If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. 7 Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come!


The unforgivable sin.
Mark 3:28
“I promise you that any of the sinful things you say or do can be forgiven, no matter how terrible those things are. But if you speak against the Holy Spirit, you can never be forgiven. That sin will be held against you forever.”

Since all sin is pardonable in John 1:9
'If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.”

What does this mean?
Simply stated it is the failure to believe, repent and walk in God's grace, with our faith of His gift of our Savior Christ.

“Blasphemy against the Spirit evidently is not just a one-time offense; rather, it is an ongoing attitude of rebellion – a stubborn way of life that continually resists, rejects and insults the Holy Spirit. This is what makes it, in effect, an eternal sin. Blasphemy against the Spirit is not unforgivable because of something done unintentionally in the past, but because of something being done deliberately and unrelentingly in the present.” https://www.biblegateway.com/blog/2012/10/what-is-the-unforgivable-sin/

Here we find a warning against watered down Christianity.
Rev 3:14
These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God’s creation. 15 I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16 So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth. 17 You say, ‘I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. 18 I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see.

19 Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest and repent. 20 Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.

 

[soldier of light]

3 different sins that I have found in scripture. Perhaps not a complete list, but in my opinion the important ones.
We are a spirit living in a vehicle designed for life on earth. It is a vehicle designed for two, our spirit and the Spirit of God.
Fornication is a trashing of the vehicle in which Gods Spirit resides.
1 Cor 6:18
Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body. 19 Don’t you realize that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, who lives in you and was given to you by God? You do not belong to yourself, 20 for God bought you with a high price. So you must honor God with your body.


God places a high value on the children.
Mat 18:6
“If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. 7 Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come!


The unforgivable sin.
Mark 3:28
“I promise you that any of the sinful things you say or do can be forgiven, no matter how terrible those things are. But if you speak against the Holy Spirit, you can never be forgiven. That sin will be held against you forever.”

Since all sin is pardonable in John 1:9
'If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.”

What does this mean?
Simply stated it is the failure to believe, repent and walk in God's grace, with our faith of His gift of our Savior Christ.

“Blasphemy against the Spirit evidently is not just a one-time offense; rather, it is an ongoing attitude of rebellion – a stubborn way of life that continually resists, rejects and insults the Holy Spirit. This is what makes it, in effect, an eternal sin. Blasphemy against the Spirit is not unforgivable because of something done unintentionally in the past, but because of something being done deliberately and unrelentingly in the present.” https://www.biblegateway.com/blog/2012/10/what-is-the-unforgivable-sin/

All sin is equally bad. James said that if you commit one sin then you're guilty of committing them all.

 

[timothyu]

Sin is sin. Sin is nothing more than separating ourselves from everything else when even God Himself is in all. When we separate ourselves from the world and each other, we separate ourselves from God. We put our will first. The trick is to re-connect.

 

[soldier of light]

Sin is sin. Sin is nothing more than separating ourselves from everything else when even God Himself is in all. When we separate ourselves from the world and each other, we separate ourselves from God. We put our will first. The trick is to re-connect.

I see it differently. We are supposed to be separate from the world.

 

[Palmfever]

All sin is equally bad. James said that if you commit one sin then you're guilty of committing them all.

That, as you are trying to use it is untrue.
Romans 3:23
"For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God," Those are pardonable.
This is unpardonable.
Mark 3:28
“I promise you that any of the sinful things you say or do can be forgiven, no matter how terrible those things are. But if you speak against the Holy Spirit, you can never be forgiven. That sin will be held against you forever.”

James 2:8
If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself, you are doing right. 9 But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11 For he who said, “You shall not commit adultery,” also said, “You shall not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.

James is showing that the law condemns us and cannot bring salvation. He is showing the futility of adhering to the law for salvation. As Paul states, "The law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ."
No one will be saved by the law. Never. The old testament saints looked forward in faith to the grace of Christ
"Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, 13 because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment.

He was preaching grace, not law. The new testament. The new law. The law of freedom in Christ.
That is the context.

In the old testament we read a scenario of murder. one premeditated, the other accidental. The man is dead either way but one is pardonable.
Exodus 21:12
He who strikes a man so that he dies shall surely be put to death. However, if he did not lie in wait, but God delivered him into his hand, then I will appoint for you a place where he may flee. But if a man acts with premeditation against his neighbor, to kill him by treachery, you shall take him from My altar, that he may die.

God was just and merciful even then.

 

[timothyu]

We are supposed to be separate from the world.

Separate from the backwards thinking of man who made a world in their own image. Root cause. Be in their world but not of it.

 

[soldier of light]

That, as you are trying to use it is untrue.
Romans 3:23
"For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God," Those are pardonable.
This is unpardonable.
Mark 3:28
“I promise you that any of the sinful things you say or do can be forgiven, no matter how terrible those things are. But if you speak against the Holy Spirit, you can never be forgiven. That sin will be held against you forever.”

James 2:8
If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself, you are doing right. 9 But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11 For he who said, “You shall not commit adultery,” also said, “You shall not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.

James is showing that the law condemns us and cannot bring salvation. He is showing the futility of adhering to the law for salvation. As Paul states, "The law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ."
No one will be saved by the law. Never. The old testament saints looked forward in faith to the grace of Christ
"Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, 13 because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment.

He was preaching grace, not law. The new testament. The new law. The law of freedom in Christ.
That is the context.

In the old testament we read a scenario of murder. one premeditated, the other accidental. The man is dead either way but one is pardonable.
Exodus 21:12
He who strikes a man so that he dies shall surely be put to death. However, if he did not lie in wait, but God delivered him into his hand, then I will appoint for you a place where he may flee. But if a man acts with premeditation against his neighbor, to kill him by treachery, you shall take him from My altar, that he may die.

God was just and merciful even then.

You are guilty of all sin. There is no argument.

 

[Palmfever]

You are guilty of all sin. There is no argument.

You may be, but I doubt it.
You are right about one thing though, there is no argument.

 

[soldier of light]

You may be, but I doubt it.
You are right about one thing though, there is no argument.

I know, because you would be arguing against the scripture.

 

[RDKirk]

So, which sin can we safely revel in without issue?

 

[soldier of light]

So, which sin can we safely revel in without issue?

Exactly.

 

[Dan Perez]

Exactly.

Read 1 Cor 5:1-5 and find out !!

dan p

 

[soldier of light]

Read 1 Cor 5:1-5 and find out !!

dan p

I just read it. Please specify your point

 

[soldier of light]

Read 1 Cor 5:1-5 and find out !!

dan p

I was cast out by sinners. I was blessed though because Jesus saved me

Ezekiel 34:2 “Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy and say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God to the shepherds: “Woe to the shepherds of Israel who feed themselves! Should not the shepherds feed the flocks? 3 You eat the fat and clothe yourselves with the wool; you slaughter the fatlings, but you do not feed the flock. 4 The weak you have not strengthened, nor have you healed those who were sick, nor bound up the broken, nor brought back what was driven away, nor sought what was lost; but with force and cruelty you have ruled them.

17 ‘And as for you, O My flock, thus says the Lord God: “Behold, I shall judge between sheep and sheep, between rams and goats. 18 Is it too little for you to have eaten up the good pasture, that you must tread down with your feet the [c]residue of your pasture—and to have drunk of the clear waters, that you must foul the residue with your feet? 19 And as for My flock, they eat what you have trampled with your feet, and they drink what you have fouled with your feet.”

20 ‘Therefore thus says the Lord God to them: “Behold, I Myself will judge between the fat and the lean sheep. 21 Because you have pushed with side and shoulder, butted all the weak ones with your horns, and scattered them abroad, 22 therefore I will save My flock, and they shall no longer be a prey; and I will judge between sheep and sheep. 23 I will establish one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them—My servant David. He shall feed them and be their shepherd. 24 And I, the Lord, will be their God, and My servant David a prince among them; I, the Lord, have spoken.

 

[Dan Perez]

I was cast out by sinners. I was blessed though because Jesus saved me

And you said you read 1 Cor 5:1-5 so what was it talking ABOUT ??

What was the SIN in verse one ??

# 2 What did those in the ASSEMBLY about that SIN in verse one ?? , They refused to JUDGE N that sin !!

# 3 In verse 3 Paul said I was there to Judge

# 4 The Lord let Paul JUDGE that person !!

# 5 To deliver such one to SATAN for the DEATH of the flesh , in order that the FLESH , in order that the spirit

may be saved in the DAY of the LORD JESUS !!

danp

 

[soldier of light]

And you said you read 1 Cor 5:1-5 so what was it talking ABOUT ??

What was the SIN in verse one ??

# 2 What did those in the ASSEMBLY about that SIN in verse one ?? , They refused to JUDGE N that sin !!

# 3 In verse 3 Paul said I was there to Judge

# 4 The Lord let Paul JUDGE that person !!

# 5 To deliver such one to SATAN for the DEATH of the flesh , in order that the FLESH , in order that the spirit

may be saved in the DAY of the LORD JESUS !!

danp

Ok

 

[soldier of light]

And you said you read 1 Cor 5:1-5 so what was it talking ABOUT ??

What was the SIN in verse one ??

# 2 What did those in the ASSEMBLY about that SIN in verse one ?? , They refused to JUDGE N that sin !!

# 3 In verse 3 Paul said I was there to Judge

# 4 The Lord let Paul JUDGE that person !!

# 5 To deliver such one to SATAN for the DEATH of the flesh , in order that the FLESH , in order that the spirit

may be saved in the DAY of the LORD JESUS !!

danp

I guess your point is that the church shouldn't ignore sin