Do You Believe In Scientism?

[SelfSim]

Ok. Thanks for the info. I've never heard of the guy.

Wow! That's interesting!
I was thinking we'd see some kind of minimalist apology from philosophy in characterising this dude's thinking!?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Wow! That's interesting!
I was thinking we'd see some kind of minimalist apology from philosophy in characterising this dude's thinking!?

It's difficult for me to defend someone I've never heard of, so I'm not sure why you'd assume I'd defend such a person.

Besides, I'm guessing whoever that guy is, he has nothing to add to my own sources. I'm also fairly confident that whatever he has had to say won't override my own sources either.

 

[SelfSim]

It's difficult for me to defend someone I've never heard of, so I'm not sure why you'd assume I'd defend such a person.

Besides, I'm guessing whoever that guy is, he has nothing to add to my own sources. I'm also fairly confident that whatever he has had to say won't override my own sources either.

Ok .. I was just bein' playfully friendly .. y'know as a relief from normal CFs engagements.
I mean, many stranger things are possible, yes?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Ok .. I was just bein' playfully friendly .. y'know as a relief from normal CFs engagements.
I mean, many stranger things are possible, yes?

Yes, it's a relief to know that ...

 

[AV1611VET]

QV please:

You need to read the article on Scientism in Wikipedia --- it's very good.

It says that science is the final arbitrator in all matters, including spiritual matters.

 

[BNR32FAN]

QV please:

Hey brother was wondering if you could have a look at my first YouTube video and let me know what you think. It’s not on topic to this thread but I can’t send it to you in private chat. It’s on 2 Timothy 2:12. It’s a rebuttal of a free grace commentary on the passage.

 

[Jipsah]

For the most part, "Scientism" is just a pejorative used by people who think science should take a hike.

Yep. The intended connotation is "science, bad".

 

[Jipsah]

I voted yes because I think the scientific method is the best was to answer questions about reality.

Questions about things of the natural universe, about which we can have empirical evidence. But religion deal with the supernatural, where the scientific method has no means of operating.

 

[Jipsah]

It' a great book in showing and demonstrating the kinds of arbitrary decisions that go into science, especially the social sciences.

The "social sciences" are generally about as "scientific" as witch doctory.

There is no innate statistical level of significance for studies for example.

So they sight down their thumbs, factor in what "result" would best serve their purposes, publish a paper based on wishful thinking and blatant self interest, stick a label on it that says Settled Science, and declare a newy disovered Law of Nature. The inarguable conclusion of the process is that the word "science" means, in such cases, whatever they want it to mean.

 

[Jipsah]

"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'" --Isaac Asimov

Much as I admire old Ike, that's one of those cases where Everybody is Anti Intellectual except me and thee, and I ain't that killin' sure about thee. Calling folks anti intellectual usually means you don't agree with their conclusions.

 

[Jipsah]

Biology sex and gender expression are fundamentally different categories. The problem isn't science or "scientism" as you call it; but rather being uninformed about these topics to the point of confusing them.

I think the problem is yanking the word "gender" out of its original usage, and using it to describe personal characteristics that may, or may not, have anything to do with one's physical reproductive organs. It could be, and is, used to describe one's preterred sexual activities, their mental attidudes, and a plethora (or even 2.3 plethoras) of other "stuff" that has no quantifiable meaning at all, regarding sex or much of anything else. I have one friend who says that he's decided to claim that the gender he identifies as is Millwall, and that he insists on being referred to by "pronoun" lion. His reasoning is that if "gender is a spectrum" that Millwall surely is on it somewhere. It doesn't sound that much goofier than some of the so-called "genders" people actually claim.

There is actual science, though it continues to be part of ongoing study, as to how biological sex and gender identity don't always align.

I think the use of "gender" has reached the point where it no longer has any bearing on biological sex at all, and has simply become a way of describing some characteristic that the person claiming it has decided to make their own.

And it's not because people want to pretend, it's because of how they are wired biologically.

Except tha it's often declared in emphatic tomes that gender has nothing to do with sex. If whicg case, IMO, we need to find a diferent word.

I am biologically male, and I am also male in my gender identity.

I think I'll make "granddad" my gender identity and defy anyone to question it.

A failure to address objective reality out of preconceived personally held "shoulds", as in someone who is biologically and genetically male should identify a certain way and express their humanity in a certain conformist way, does not actually address the real world in a meaningful way.

Then again, taking common words that have have established meanings for centuries and simply slapping new meanings on them and then railing against those who object is really pretty dumb, especially if the new meaning appears to have been chosen to promote a new, and intentionally manipulative, meaning.

Personally, speaking as a believing Christian, I think the Christian response to that should be in alignment and in keeping with the teaching and faith which we have received from the beginning. To believe and confess the Gospel of our hope and salvation, and living out our faith in Christ in obedience to God by following His Commandment, that we love Him and love our neighbor as ourselves.

Agreed.

 

[AV1611VET]

For the most part, "Scientism" is just a pejorative used by people who think science should take a hike.

Yep. The intended connotation is "science, bad".

Is hiking bad?

If so, perhaps these guys didn't get the memo?

 

[Jipsah]

Is hiking bad?

If so, perhaps these guys didn't get the memo?

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Are they followers of hikingism?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Much as I admire old Ike, that's one of those cases where Everybody is Anti Intellectual except me and thee, and I ain't that killin' sure about thee. Calling folks anti intellectual usually means you don't agree with their conclusions.

I don't believe so.

There are people who are experts in a subject, and there are people who are not. For instance, RFK Jr. is not a doctor, a vaccine expert, a statistician or a public health expert. He is an environmental lawyer. Relevant experts have knowledge about vaccines; to the extent that RFK Jr. is following his own path, he is putting his ignorance up against their knowledge.

 

[dlamberth]

Much as I admire old Ike, that's one of those cases where Everybody is Anti Intellectual except me and thee, and I ain't that killin' sure about thee. Calling folks anti intellectual usually means you don't agree with their conclusions.

The way in which science is under attack these days as well as academia and even what I've experienced in this sub-forum, I don't have to jump very far to absolutely believe that there is truly an anti-intellectual cult going on. That's not about agreeing or not with conclusions. It's about action seen and experience with in society. Take this thread is an example.

 

[Larniavc]

But religion deal with the supernatural,

Of which we have no evidence.

 

[AV1611VET]

Of which we have no evidence.

I submit the following forensic evidence for the existence of God:

1. Martyrs.
2. Churches and other edifices, including Christian schools.
3. Iconography & statuary, including symbols, drawings, and artwork.
4. The Bible and other books written about our LORD, including tracts.
5. Songs, hymns and carols venerating Jesus Christ.
6. Holidays such as Christmas and Easter.
7. Debates, programs, cartoons, and specials on TV.
8. Time divided into BC/AD.
9. Mottos such as IN GOD WE TRUST, and ONE NATION UNDER GOD, and ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL, and ENDOWED BY THEIR CREATOR.

 

[Jipsah]

Of which we have no evidence.

Hence science is necessarily silent on the subject.

 

[AV1611VET]

Hence science is necessarily silent on the subject.

That doesn't shut them up though.

They do "blind" and "double blind" tests.

Then conclude prayer is "inconclusive."

Giving rise to their mantra: "praying to God is like praying to a milk carton".

 

[2PhiloVoid]

That doesn't shut them up though.

They do "blind" and "double blind" tests.

Then conclude prayer is "inconclusive."

Giving rise to their mantra: "praying to God is like praying to a milk carton".

I wonder how they got the straight jacket on God for their experiments?