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Even here you show the passage does NOT talk about God killing potential sinners.
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Even here you show the passage does NOT talk about God killing potential sinners.No, it's about sinning when you take communion in a sinful manner.
The sinful manner being without recognizing the meal as a sacred event proclaiming the Lord's death until he comes (1 Corinthians 11:26), and eating the bread like it was an ordinary meal, which was sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. (1 Corinthians 11:27-29).
No sir, they have free will but from the knowledge learned in the sanctification process, Heb 12:5-11, they will never, ever, use their free will to chose to sin again. Just like the Trinity has a free will but will never use their free will to choose sin and the holy, elect angels have a free will but will never, ever, use their free will to choose to sin!
By their free will they will always make the righteous choice! That is the meaning of being holy, that is, fully sanctified.
That is a perversion of what scripture actually teaches and what the Doctrines of Grace affirm.NOT those whom Christ had promised by election to die for before the foundation of the world. Jn 3:18, believers (elect) who sinned and lost their faith are never judged but those who never believed (reprobate) are condemned already.
OR...it means we are freely putting our will into accord with HIS because we have learned that is the best.Jesus taught us to pray "Thy will be done...
To Pray this sincerely don't we relinquish our own will in preference for His?
28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. 29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. 30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep. 31 But if we were more discerning with regard to ourselves, we would not come under such judgment. 32 Nevertheless, when we are judged in this way by the Lord, we are being disciplined so that we will not be finally condemned with the world.
1 Corinthians 11 28-32
I don't see anything about people getting sick and dying. It's more talking about people without understanding taking communion. Nothing about GOd murdering future sinners
OR...it means we are freely putting our will into accord with HIS because we have learned that is the best.
28 But let a man prove himself, and so let him eat of the bread, and drink of the cup.
People in sin should not take communion
29 For he that eateth and drinketh, eateth and drinketh judgment unto himself, if he discern not the body.
When they do they eat and drink condemnation on themselves
30 For this cause many among you are weak and sickly, and not a few sleep.
Thanks. . .well done.people often die in their sinful ways
31 But if we discerned ourselves, we should not be judged.
If we live right, we will not be judged by God
32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we may not be condemned with the world.
The penalties of our sin brings us back to the Lord.
So why are believers judged with physical death now?Nothing said about God killing people who MIGHT sin.
God's word does not have to be "backed up." He has to say it only once for it to be true.Are there any other verses in the Bible that back up that claim?
The natural consequences of living a life of sinSo why are believers judged with physical death now?
It does not say that anywhere in the text. Where are you getting this from?They are judged with physical death now, to prevent their being condemned for spiritual death by their continuing in the sin if they were alive.
They are judged with physical death now to prevent any future sin.
On this we agree. THat is what the passage explains, not that God kills people to prevent them from being condemned.It's about sinning when you take communion in a sinful manner.
The sinful manner being without recognizing the meal as a sacred event proclaiming the Lord's death until he comes (1 Corinthians 11:26), and eating the bread like it was an ordinary meal, which was sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. (1 Corinthians 11:27-29); i.e., against the sacred meal.
So my free will to choose holiness is contingent upon another's eternal life suffering in hell?? I don't think so.
I did not contend that if HE did not create those HE knew would end in hell because HE wanted to keep hell empty as scripture suggests, that those HE did know would repent and be redeemed had to do so by no free will decision of their own, ie, by HIS will, not theirs!!
Any difference between your pov and mine that HIS true knowledge of people in hell would restrain HIM from creating them is that some people would be missing but the rest of this system of our choices is fully in place.
There is no reason to think that some missing people demands that those not missing have lost their free will since they would just be the people HE knew would choose by their free will to become HIS Bride.
Yes you are correct your free will decision does not in any way cause anyone to go to hell. You just cannot seem to accept the fact they we make our own decision about where we end up.So my free will to choose holiness is contingent upon another's eternal life suffering in hell?? I don't think so.
Wrong they have all the ability to make their own decisions. God knowing what is going to happen does not cause it to happen. This is not as complicated as you seem to be trying to make it.Our ability to choose does NOT prove our wills are free because we constantly choose between evils. The ability to choose any of every option in the choice proves a free will and unreborn sinners are not free to choose righteousness...they do not have a free will.
I know because I have exercised my free will to learn.And you know this how?
To become holy is indeed a basic requirement for the reborn but sanctification is result of the work of the Spirit, a work that we choose to comply with by our training to come into accord with HIM as Heb 12:5-11 suggests.Yet isn't this a basic requirement if we are truly born again?
I am a foremost champion of our choosing our own fates by our free will!! If you think I am not, you misunderstand me completely about what I think of our free will. Bring up my history and search for "absolute necessity" and it will give you a full list.You just cannot seem to accept the fact they we make our own decision about where we end up.
Who is they? If you mean people choosing their own fates, I agree. If you mean sinners choosing redemption and salvation while sinners, then I don't.Wrong they have all the ability to make their own decisions.
Yes, but I suggest that may be because you were either being led by the Spirit or your were already reborn and your free will was restored.I know because I have exercised my free will to learn.
We are all sinnersWho is they? If you mean people choosing their own fates, I agree. If you mean sinners choosing redemption and salvation while sinners, then I don't.
I think that you confuse free will with grace. We all have free will but we all must be given the grace to accept Jesus by the Holy Spirit.Yes, but I suggest that may be because you were either being led by the Spirit or your were already reborn and your free will was restored.
No sinner can tell that he is under duress to choose sin but thinks rather that he is free.
1 Timothy 5:21 I charge thee before GOD and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the ELECT angels. Elect angels are not sinful... How do you think their election happened?We are all sinners
If grace is an absolute necessity then our will is moot, free or not.I think that you confuse free will with grace. We all have free will but we all must be given the grace to accept Jesus by the Holy Spirit.
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