Do you believe in once saved, always saved?

RajunCajun86 · Jul 31, 2006

john 3:16 is also in present tense "believes" not believed at some point in time
so therefore i vote no, because i too believe in the preseverence of the saints

givengrace · Aug 21, 2006

SpiritFilled02 said:
Hello everyone. I know I am not a Baptist but I am making a poll here to see of the majority of Baptists and Anabaptists on this forum believe in once saved, always saved. Thanks!

When you are Saved you are "BORN AGAIN"

So I guess those who do not belive in OSAS belive in being "UN BORN?"

HumbleMan · Aug 21, 2006

I believe in the perserverance of the saints.

Argent · Aug 21, 2006

Matthan said:
To say that a person who accepts Christ as his Savior, and the Holy Spirit has entered into his body and he is born again, can somehow reject Jesus later in life, is to say that the Holy Spirit is not absolutely perfect because He made the mistake of entering into that person only to be rejected later. Now, does any person on this forum honestly believe that is possible?

When the Holy Spirit "baptizes" a person by entering into her or him, you can rest assurred that it is forever, and nobody will ever pluck that person out of our Savior's hand. The perfection and omniscience of God assures everyone so baptized that they are forever sealed by Him.

Therefore, once a person has been truly saved, that person is always saved.

There are lots of people who once claimed to be "Christian" but later left the church and rejected Jesus. Does anyone believe that any of them were honestly saved, and that despite what they might claim?

Matthan

Couldn'a said it better myself!

Argent · Aug 21, 2006

Our Father doesn't give us back to the bad guy.

RichardT · Aug 21, 2006

Yes, Once Saved Always Saved

edie19 · Aug 21, 2006

I didn't vote because I don't think OSAS is the same as perseverance of the saints (which I do believe)

edie

alkan · Aug 21, 2006

I vote no simply because you must resolve all issues in your mind with God to truly become one with him. Only through Jesus can you resolve anything truly, and through accepting him all your sins are nothing. But every time we give in to temptation, we turn away from God and must reconcile ourselves to him. This is a complex issue and is not black and white. But only you and God (Through God the Son) can save you; not some rule of having been saved by baptism, which is important symbolism, but without a continuing relationship afterwards with God, is as good as nothing.

alkan · Aug 21, 2006

Argent said:
Our Father doesn't give us back to the bad guy.

No he doesn't give us back, but we still have the free will to do so of our own accord.

A nice thought, and I'd like to think nobody ever falls from God's clasp, but with free will, how can they not?

I sin all the time, and must face God afterwoods. I need a new Baptism of fire so to speak everytime I turn back to him. If I insult someone, I still need to feel remorse and need forgiveness. A baptism with water doesn't change that.

The Baptism is such an important symbol, yet so fragile in a way; us sinful Humans need God's help so dearly, otherwise it would be a false relationship; knowing him only so we know we are saved. No; we owe it to him to want to be made better again once we sin, which we all do evey day.

givengrace · Aug 21, 2006

alkan said:
I vote no simply because you must resolve all issues in your mind with God to truly become one with him. Only through Jesus can you resolve anything truly, and through accepting him all your sins are nothing. But every time we give in to temptation, we turn away from God and must reconcile ourselves to him. This is a complex issue and is not black and white. But only you and God (Through God the Son) can save you; not some rule of having been saved by baptism, which is important symbolism, but without a continuing relationship afterwards with God, is as good as nothing.

"having been saved by baptism, which is important symbolism"

You are not Saved by Baptism. It is just a Outward Sign of an Inward Change.
Just as a Person wearing a Wedding Ring They are still married whether they Choose to wear a Ring.

JPPT1974 · Aug 21, 2006

It is indeed more of an inward change
Rather than an outward change
Jesus should be asked into our hearts and lives
First and foremost before we are baptized
And join a church in membership!

maire · Aug 22, 2006

Yes I believe once saved always saved. We can stray away from god but He is always with us no matter what.

mesue · Aug 22, 2006

SpiritFilled02 said:
Hello everyone. I know I am not a Baptist but I am making a poll here to see of the majority of Baptists and Anabaptists on this forum believe in once saved, always saved. Thanks!

I can't answer, only because of the phrase "Some form of once saved always saved." There's only one way to be saved, therefore only one form.
With that said, I believe no matter what I do or say, my salvation is secure. I cannot lose my salvation.

alkan · Aug 22, 2006

givengrace said:
"having been saved by baptism, which is important symbolism"

You are not Saved by Baptism. It is just a Outward Sign of an Inward Change.
Just as a Person wearing a Wedding Ring They are still married whether they Choose to wear a Ring.

I have to say, on this post I fully agree with you. It's an outward symbol; the functional word being symbol. But one must realise that it's still possible to pour water over someone when inside they have not made the change.

But as to whether the change at Baptism is permanent, it can only be permenant if the person continues on the right tracks. This includes repenting for things we do wrong; and when we do things wrong, if we show no remorse for them, we are not with God. So, it's not a black and white issue, but you can't label a person as 'saved' or 'not saved' simply because you don't know the true feelings inside their head, and how they will develop as a human and in their relationship with God.

edie19 · Aug 22, 2006

alkan said:
I have to say, on this post I fully agree with you. It's an outward symbol; the functional word being symbol. But one must realise that it's still possible to pour water over someone when inside they have not made the change.

But as to whether the change at Baptism is permanent, it can only be permenant if the person continues on the right tracks. This includes repenting for things we do wrong; and when we do things wrong, if we show no remorse for them, we are not with God. So, it's not a black and white issue, but you can't label a person as 'saved' or 'not saved' simply because you don't know the true feelings inside their head, and how they will develop as a human and in their relationship with God.

We will be sinners until we leave this world for the next. We do grow in our sanctification - we desire sinful things less and make a concerted effort to live a righteous life. However, once justified (some would say saved), when we do sin God no longer counts those sins against us. We have been declared "not guilty" for all time.

Nothing can break the grip God has on us, He will not let go of those He holds in His hands.

Palomino · Aug 22, 2006

NO,you can fall from grace and need to get back to GOD. I cannot believe how many people said yes..

edie19 · Aug 22, 2006

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alkan · Aug 22, 2006

God is saving us from our sins. We have the free will. We need to be absolved. Therefore, if we sin after becoming a christian and we do not reconcile ourselves with God, we cannot be accepting the offer God has given us of having our sins wiped out.

The theory that once 'one is saved, one must always be saved' probably derives from the unlikelyhood of staying perminantly away from God once you have found him. Remember the Old testament srory of Saul though, who still fell away from God's grace. I know people who have turned away from God after deciding Christianity is wrong or not for them. They have been the deepest christians, in fact I knew one guy who's ambition even at the age of 12 was to become a missionary. He became the strongest type of christian, then dropped it all due to various reasons.

It is arrogant to consider ourselves 'saved', because firstly, none of us know the future, and secondly, none of us has God's authority to judge. That is simply arrogance, and the bible clearly stated that one should 'not judge lest ye be judged'.

We can hope, and we can have the faith to put ourselves in God's hands, but to declare ourselves saved; I don't believe we have the authority.

edie19 · Aug 22, 2006

I disagree - Scripture tells us we have assurance of salvation. Seems to me that to spend your days without that assurance must be a very sad way to live life.

"I will make an everlasting covenant with them that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; and I will put the fear of Me in their hearts so that they will not turn away from Me."

"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one."

The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son. And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.

mesue · Aug 22, 2006

Palomino said:
NO,you can fall from grace and need to get back to GOD. I cannot believe how many people said yes..

In light of God's word, I can't belive people said "No"

alkan said:
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We can hope, and we can have the faith to put ourselves in God's hands, but to declare ourselves saved; I don't believe we have the authority.

We have God's word that we cannot lose our salvation. This isn't arrogance, it's faith.
Jesus promised that I cannot lose my salvation:
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. (John 6:37)
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. (John 10:27-29)
Further, that I cannot do anything to lose my salvation because:
Salvation is by grace through faith, and not by works. It is a gift from God. No man can lose his salvation on his own, because no man earned his salvation.
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast. (Ephesians 2:8-9)
If I had to do anything to earn or keep my salvation, I would easily lose it.
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. (Galatians 3:10)
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. (James 2:10)
Yet 2 Timothy assures us it is Jesus Christ who keeps us, not we ourselves.
For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.
(2 Timothy 1:12)
Galatians 2:21 states clearly that if we could become righteous by anything we do, then Jesus Christs death was in vein.
I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
(Galatians 2:21)
God wont cast me out, no man can cause me to lose my salvation, I cannot lose it myself and there is nothing else to make me lose my salvation
For I am persuaded, that neither
death, - you cannot lose it when you die
nor life, - you cannot lose it while youre alive
nor angels, - cannot take it away from you
nor principalities, - the government cant take it from you.
nor powers, - the devil cannot cause you to lose it.
nor things present, - nothing happening right now
nor things to come, - nothing happening in the future.
Nor height, - nothing above you.
nor depth, - nothing below you.
nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Romans 8:38-39)
Does this mean I can go on and knowingly sin? Absolutely not!
What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. (Romans 6:15)
But how I serve the Lord while here on earth will be judged.
Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. (1Corinthians 3:13-15)

Do you believe in once saved, always saved?

Do you believe in once saved, always saved?

Yes, I believe in some form of once saved, always saved.

No, I do not believe in any form of once saved, always saved.

I don't know what I believe concerning this issue.

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