Do you believe in Creationism or Evolutionism?

[1an]

Take for example this Old Earth website. They are in support of Billy Graham here:

https://www.oldearth.org/Facebook_meme/bg2.jpg

Yet, Billy Graham was in favor of Ecumenism.

What is wrong with ecumenism provided it is Biblically based?
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[1an]

And what most people do not realize is that evolution and the big bang are the Genesis chapter one for the religion of secularism, where man is the ultimate in the universe. this is just a modern Ba'al and its doctrine.

I agree with you, and we can still preach the gospel 100% of the time, and simply deal with false teaching when it crosses our path.
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[nolidad]

I am not in disagreement with that. But I believe real change is in preaching the gospel and not in having a Young Earth Creationism ministry. God did not say go out and preach the proper age of the Earth so that men will be saved. Yes, it is good to a degree to let others know the truth on this topic, but it should not be our main focus or the driving force of our ministry. Jesus is the reason for our ministry. He is the One we ultimately should focus primarily on. Not Young Earth Creationism.

And sometime to present teh gospel in order to save someone- you must crack and smash the foundations of the belief system they have in place.

Not everyone will just let you tell them Jesus loves them and that they need to believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus in order to be saved! They just don't believe it!

For a secularist who is educated, if you can smash one of their big foundations (evolution and the Big Bang) you open the door to showing them that God does exist and that jesus is the answer.

Just like with JW's. They are too well indoctrinated to just present the gospel to them, they have heard oits twisted way many many times and they believe that they are part of Gods truth!

So inorder to be more effective in your witness to them, if you can break that mind controlled thought process and smash a major foundational truth the Watchtower has built into their thinking- you open the way for the gospel to be presented.

Remember soul winning involves four separate actions in various people:

1. Plowing th egorhnd to prepare it for the seed to be planted.
2. Planting the seed,
3. watering the seed
4. reaping a harvest (if the seed grows)

For some people, inorder to be able to effectively (I stress effectively) preach the gospel, you need to show that some of their belief is just dead wrong!

 

[Bible Highlighter]

What is wrong with ecumenism provided it is Biblically based?
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There is no such thing as biblical Eucumenism to my knowledge. Eucumenism says one can have religious fellowship with Mormons, or JWs, etc.
It's the uniting of many unbiblical religions together.

 

[nolidad]

What is wrong with ecumenism provided it is Biblically based?
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And ecuminism as is today is so very unbiblically based. biblically based it is called fellowship.

 

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What is wrong with ecumenism provided it is Biblically based?
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Read this article here:

Billy Graham No Longer Thinks Mormonism Is a Cult | TIME.com

 

[1an]

There is no such thing as biblical Eucumenism to my knowledge. Eucumenism says one can have religious fellowship with Mormons, or JWs, etc.
It's the uniting of many unbiblical religions together.

I could not go along with that.
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[1an]

Read this article here:

Billy Graham No Longer Thinks Mormonism Is a Cult | TIME.com

Shame on him. In that case I would have to walk on by.
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And sometime to present teh gospel in order to save someone- you must crack and smash the foundations of the belief system they have in place.

Not everyone will just let you tell them Jesus loves them and that they need to believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus in order to be saved! They just don't believe it!

For a secularist who is educated, if you can smash one of their big foundations (evolution and the Big Bang) you open the door to showing them that God does exist and that jesus is the answer.

Just like with JW's. They are too well indoctrinated to just present the gospel to them, they have heard oits twisted way many many times and they believe that they are part of Gods truth!

So inorder to be more effective in your witness to them, if you can break that mind controlled thought process and smash a major foundational truth the Watchtower has built into their thinking- you open the way for the gospel to be presented.

Remember soul winning involves four separate actions in various people:

1. Plowing th egorhnd to prepare it for the seed to be planted.
2. Planting the seed,
3. watering the seed
4. reaping a harvest (if the seed grows)

For some people, inorder to be able to effectively (I stress effectively) preach the gospel, you need to show that some of their belief is just dead wrong!

You can keep trying to rationalize AIG type ministries all you like but until you find a verse or passage that says we can be like that, then you got nothing biblical to stand upon but your own reasoning.

 

[1an]

And ecuminism as is today is so very unbiblically based. biblically based it is called fellowship.

Good luck to them, I'm not familiar with all this.
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[1an]

You can keep trying to rationalize AIG type ministries all you like but until you find a verse or passage that says we can be like that, then you got nothing biblical to stand upon but your own reasoning.

What is AIG please?

I'm the Old Time Religion.
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What is AIG please?
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Answers in Genesis ministries.

Here is their website:
Answers in Genesis

It is a popular Young Earth Creationism website.
While I agree with Young Earth Creationism, I do not endorse the idea of having an entire ministry focused on that particular topic.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Now, I will admit, Noah's Ark museum (put forth by AIG) was impressive because it is a life sized Ark. They even mention Jesus and salvation in Him in the museum, and that was really good. However, they are still a creation focused ministry primarily in their focus involving their website, videos, conferences, etc.

 

[1an]

Answers in Genesis ministries.

Here is their website:
Answers in Genesis

It is a popular Young Earth Creationism website.
While I agree with Young Earth Creationism, I do not endorse the idea of having an entire ministry focused on that particular topic.

I used to be on the other Web site in opposition to AIG it had a similar name. It was run by Professor Joseph, but he had to give up due to ill health.
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[1an]

Answers in Genesis ministries.

Here is their website:
Answers in Genesis

It is a popular Young Earth Creationism website.
While I agree with Young Earth Creationism, I do not endorse the idea of having an entire ministry focused on that particular topic.

You aren't a Young earther are you?

 

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You aren't a Young earther are you?

Yes, I believe the Earth was created in six literal days (with those days being 24 hours). I believe the Earth to be 6,000 to 10,000 years old approximately.
I believe Old Earth Creationism tends to hold to more liberal views or beliefs.
Eucumenism is one example. Another Old Earth Creation website (GodandScience.org) promotes a book on their website involving a Christian NDE (Near Death Experiences) (Note: The book was called: “Heaven is for Real”). Christian near death experiences attempting to explain Heaven or Hell usually turn out to be unbiblical. They are attempts at adding to God's Word and in creating subtle false shifts in our thinking the wrong way about the faith.

 

[1an]

Yes, I believe the Earth was created in six literal days (with those days being 24 hours). I believe the Earth to be 6,000 to 10,000 years old approximately.
I believe Old Earth Creationism tends to hold to more liberal views or beliefs.
Eucumenism is one example. Another Old Earth Creation website (GodandScience.org) promotes a book on their website involving a Christian NDE (Near Death Experiences) (Note: The book was called: “Heaven is for Real”). Near death experiences attempting to explain Heaven or Hell usually turn out to be unbiblical.

Well if you believe the beginning of time was 10,000 years ago good luck to you.

Someone on here, it might have been you or the other guy, said atheists were religious. I think superstitious would be more appropriate.
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You aren't a Young earther are you?

Jesus said, “...Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, , And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? ” (Matthew 19:4-5).

This is a reference to Adam and Eve.

Genesis 2:24 says,
“Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.”

Evening and morning defines each day of the six day creation, and we see Adam and Eve is referred to being in the beginning. It says in Genesis 1:1, “In the beginning God created....”

We see the creation of Eve for Adam.

The genealogy of Jesus can be traced through Mary's line in Luke chapter 3 all the way back to Adam (See: Luke 3:23-38).

Death only existed after the fall and not before.

“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:” (Romans 5:12).

Yet, many Old Earth Creationists hold to a view that says that death existed prior to the Fall.

Many (not all) Old Earth Creationists hold to a local flood instead and not a global flood because it contradicts their science. But the Bible says,

“And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.” (Genesis 7:19).

 

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Well if you believe the beginning of time was 10,000 years ago good luck to you.

Someone on here, it might have been you or the other guy, said atheists were religious. I think superstitious would be more appropriate.
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Secular museums teach that the earth is old. Yet, the Bible does not clearly teach that the earth is old but it suggests it is young in the fact that the creation was created in six literal (24 hour days), and the genealogies in the Bible can only be traced back to Adam over a span of thousands of years and not millions. There is no mention in the Bible of a large gap of time taking place (i.e. the Gap Theory), and there is no biblical warrant to change the six literal (24 hour) days into millions of years. It says, [evening and morning to define a day]. Even the keeping of the Sabbath for OT saints points back to the creation week.

 

[1an]

Jesus said, “...Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, , And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? ” (Matthew 19:4-5).

This is a reference to Adam and Eve.

Genesis 2:24 says,
“Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.”

Evening and morning defines each day of the six day creation, and we see Adam and Eve is referred to being in the beginning. It says in Genesis 1:1, “In the beginning God created....”

We see the creation of Eve for Adam.

The genealogy of Jesus can be traced through Mary's line in Luke chapter 3 all the way back to Adam (See: Luke 3:23-38).

Death only existed after the fall and not before.

“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:” (Romans 5:12).

Yet, many Old Earth Creationists hold to a view that says that death existed prior to the Fall.

Many (not all) Old Earth Creationists hold to a local flood instead and not a global flood because it contradicts their science. But the Bible says,

“And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.” (Genesis 7:19).

When you say Adam and Eve do you mean the parents of Cain and Able?
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