Where does the Bible say not to celebrate the birth/coming of Christ? The angels celebrated his birth big time. The shepherds too. So did the wise men. Why do you think sticking with the Bible is NOT celebrating what all of Heaven did? Seems to me not celebrating is not sticking with the Bible.There are many Christians that think its pagan, and that Jesus wasn't born on the 25th of December. I always did find Christmas weird as a kid, but I am not a person who really is that knowledgeable about it.
Some say its not pagan and that Jesus was born in the 25. Some say it is and that Jesus was probably born before December even happened.
I've seen a snapshot of both sides of the argument so far. I am undecided, and I'll just choose to stick with the Bible and not celebrate since I don't know what Christmas really is.
OK. I thought you might be referring to doctrines. You know that all sorts of beliefs that are imposed upon the faithful are said to have been "handed down from the Apostles," etc. but in most cases it is really impossible to know if that is true or not.Liturgy, instructions present in the Didache, Church organization.
imho......Best answer yet.Where does the Bible say not to celebrate the birth/coming of Christ? The angels celebrated his birth big time. The shepherds too. So did the wise men. Why do you think sticking with the Bible is NOT celebrating what all of Heaven did? Seems to me not celebrating is not sticking with the Bible.
You know who didn’t celebrate? The enemies of God. They didn’t celebrate his birth but plotted how to end the joy.
I think that it is natural to have days where we stop to remember the birth of Christ, whatever day we choose to do it, and the official day is Dec 25. It is the same as observing Good Friday and Easter Sunday to stop and remember the death and resurrection of Christ. I don't see anything wrong in that. Let the neo-pagans use those days to indulge in the flesh if they wish. What is that to us? We seek to follow Jesus, and that is all that matters.Can you stop being legalist and just celebrate your Savior's birthday? There is a lot of stuff taken from other culture in modern day worship. The important thing is what is being celebrated.
As I said, I don't take the books chosen by them. I accept and believe in the books inspired by God and written by his Apostles. I do not accept the books that are not of God still contained in the catholic bible.And yet you take the books of the Bible chosen by them.
The Catholic church did not come out from God. The Church of God was founded on Christ and the Apostles and it's traditions were written down. What was spoken by word was also written in epistle both instances were the Apostles preaching the fullness of the doctrine Christ. Whether you heard it only by word(in person) or only by Epistle you were hearing the entity of Christ's Gospel. Those Epistles are what we have today, and they are the Entirety of the word preached by the Apostles.Just as in Judaism, some traditions were given orally. The Church has preserved these as traditions within the Church.
Being persuaded that a sin is good does not make it so.I am fully persuaded in my own mind that keeping the holiday of Christmas is not sin, in that I am assured that the grace of God abounds unto all that believe. I would, for your sakes, forsake the celebration of such a holiday, if it were to cause you to stumble; but as for me, I honor the Lord with it, thereby fulfilling the scripture which says, "Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God."
Exactly, some only heard by word and they heard the fullness. Others heard only by Epistle and they heard the fullness of the doctrine. And there were some that heard by both. In all cases they heard the fullness of the of the doctrine.Do you understand what the "whether by" means here? It explicitly means "even if we didn't write it down in the epistles".
You haven't persuaded me that it is a sin, sir. The Bible doesn't forbid celebrating the Lord's birthday. Prove to me it does and I will adhere to it. The shepherds celebrated the birth of the Messiah. The heavenly host celebrated it in Luke 2:13-14.Being persuaded that a sin is good does not make it so.
We are to do nothing more in the remembrance of Christ than what was commanded. That is why he said do this in remembrance of me. Nothing more was given.
1 Cor 11:23-25
23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
Luke 22:19
19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
No commandment was given to celebrate his birthday, and we see no righteous man in the bible celebrating it.
The celebration of the Lord's birthday anniversary. Not found in Scripture, nor do we see any righteous man keeping any birthday anniversary let alone the Lord's. This would be one of many traditions not spoken of by the apostles.There is nothing in Holy Tradition that disagrees with the Holy Scriptures. That isn't possible. The Scriptures are the highest authority we possess (in tangible form).
But they aren't a how-to manual. They tell us to baptize, but not how to baptize, for example. And much, much more.
My question is, why are you so vehement about a matter such as this? Do you feel it is your solemn duty to burden others with legalism such as this, to threaten them in such a way as to say they are sinning by celebrating the birthday of the Lord God? Are God's people not really God's people for celebrating him? What is your motivation?Exactly, some only heard by word and they heard the fullness. Others heard only by Epistle and they heard the fullness of the doctrine. And there were some that heard by both. In all cases they heard the fullness of the of the doctrine.
That was the exact day, not the birthday anniversary which is what we are speaking of. Unless the Lord is born again each year(which I would be interested to hear why one would think that), then what we are discussing is the keeping of his birthday anniversary which falls under a Pagan practice that was never kept by any righteous man in the bible. Only by Pagans.You haven't persuaded me that it is a sin, sir. The Bible doesn't forbid celebrating the Lord's birthday. Prove to me it does and I will adhere to it. The shepherds celebrated the birth of the Messiah. The heavenly host celebrated it in Luke 2:13-14.
It is our duty to correct our brethren when we see them in sin. Calling that which is ungodly good is definitely a sin. I would say the same to a man who believed killing was okay, or lying was okay, or baptizing infants saved someone.My question is, why are you so vehement about a matter such as this? Do you feel it is your solemn duty to burden others with legalism such as this, to threaten them in such a way as to say they are sinning by celebrating the birthday of the Lord God? Are God's people not really God's people for celebrating him? What is your motivation?
That's a fair point.That was the exact day, not the birthday anniversary which is what we are speaking of. Unless the Lord is born again each year(which I would be interested to hear why one would think that), then what we are discussing is the keeping of his birthday anniversary which falls under a Pagan practice that was never kept by any righteous man in the bible. Only by Pagans.
If it’s not recorded that the apostles did it, they didn’t hand it down IMHO.OK. I thought you might be referring to doctrines. You know that all sorts of beliefs that are imposed upon the faithful are said to have been "handed down from the Apostles," etc. but in most cases it is really impossible to know if that is true or not.
The marriage ceremony is steeped in paganism and I’ve never heard a single anti-christmas person preach against weddings. I think it’s something against the Christ himself that’s the problem.In the Bible...
Deuteronomy 12:29 "When the Lord your God cuts off from before you the nations which you go to dispossess, and you displace them and dwell in their land,
30 take heed to yourself that you are not ensnared to follow them, after they are destroyed from before you, and that you do not inquire after their gods, saying, 'How did these nations serve their gods? I also will do likewise.'
31 You shall not worship the Lord your God in that way; for every abomination to the Lord which He hates they have done to their gods; for they burn even their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods.
32 "Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it.
God does not want His people to make up additional religious days to celebrate, 'specially if they have any ties to paganism.
Pagan religion Mithras...
December 25th be the day of celebration of the birthday of the sun-god Mithra.
Perhaps it should also be mentioned that one of the key features of Mithraism was Sunday observance. The reason that this seems to be relevant is that the Roman Emperor Constantine, the first Roman Emperor to make a profession of Christ, was also the first Emperor to make Sunday laws...which he began to do on March 7, 321.
A few years later, Emperor Constantine(former follower of Mithras?) convened the Council of Nicea in 325 AD that declared: 1) The Roman Sun-day or day of the Sun was to be the Christian sabbath.
2) Rules regarding seasonal prayers, penance, and indulgences.
3) That the Catholics believed that Jesus was God in some fashion.
4) Passover would be on Sunday and not the biblical date of Nisan 14.
Constantine, only one year after convening the Council of Nicea, had his own son Crispus put to death.
Later he suffocated Fausta (his wife) in an overheated bath.
Then he had his sister's son flogged to death and her husband strangled.
Throughout his reign, Constantine treated the bishops as political aides.
He agreed to enforce whatever opinion the majority of the bishops formulated.
sources: Babylon Mystery Religion, 1981, Ralph Woodrow Association, pp. 55-59.
Ibid., pp. 47-54 Also, Seymour, The Cross in Tradition, History, and Art, 1897, New York: G.P. Putnam's Sons, pp. 9-26.
And another part to Mithraism is birthday celebration.
The Bible show birthdays be celebrated by pagans... Genesis 40:20-22; Matthew 14:6-11.
The Lore of Birthdays (New York, 1952) by Ralph and Adelin Linton, on pages 8, 18-20 had this to say:
The Greeks believed that everyone had a protective spirit or daemon who attended his birth and watched over him in life.
This spirit had a mystic relation with the god on whose birthday the individual was born. The Romans also subscribed to this idea. . . . This notion was carried down in human belief and is reflected in the guardian angel, the fairy godmother and the patron saint. . . . The custom of lighted candles on the cakes started with the Greeks. . . . Honey cakes round as the moon and lit with tapers were placed on the temple altars of [Artemis]. . . . Birthday candles, in folk belief, are endowed with special magic for granting wishes. . . . Lighted tapers and sacrificial fires have had a special mystic significance ever since man first set up altars to his gods.
The birthday candles are thus an honor and tribute to the birthday child and bring good fortune...
I personally would not surrender the celebration of the coming of Christ for those who dislike celebrating his coming. That they’ve been robbed of the celebration doesn’t mean I need be also so robbed.I am fully persuaded in my own mind that keeping the holiday of Christmas is not sin, in that I am assured that the grace of God abounds unto all that believe. I would, for your sakes, forsake the celebration of such a holiday, if it were to cause you to stumble; but as for me, I honor the Lord with it, thereby fulfilling the scripture which says, "Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God."
I preach against the Paganism present in today's weddings as often as the subject comes up, as did the ministers who taught me, as did the Apostles who preached against keeping Pagan customs.The marriage ceremony is steeped in paganism and I’ve never heard a single anti-christmas person preach against weddings. I think it’s something against the Christ himself that’s the problem.
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