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Featured Do you believe Christmas is pagan?

Discussion in 'Christian History' started by JohnB445, Sep 27, 2018.

  1. Kit Sigmon

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    Deuteronomy 12:29 "When the Lord your God cuts off from before you the nations which you go to dispossess, and you displace them and dwell in their land,
    30 take heed to yourself that you are not ensnared to follow them, after they are destroyed from before you, and that you do not inquire after their gods, saying, 'How did these nations serve their gods? I also will do likewise.'
    31 You shall not worship the Lord your God in that way; for every abomination to the Lord which He hates they have done to their gods; for they burn even their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods.
    32 "Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it.

    God does not want His people to make up additional religious days to celebrate, 'specially if they have any ties to paganism.

    Pagan religion Mithras...
    December 25th be the day of celebration of the birthday of the sun-god Mithra.
    Perhaps it should also be mentioned that one of the key features of Mithraism was Sunday observance. The reason that this seems to be relevant is that the Roman Emperor Constantine, the first Roman Emperor to make a profession of Christ, was also the first Emperor to make Sunday laws...which he began to do on March 7, 321.
    A few years later, Emperor Constantine(former follower of Mithras?) convened the Council of Nicea in 325 AD that declared: 1) The Roman Sun-day or day of the Sun was to be the Christian sabbath.
    2) Rules regarding seasonal prayers, penance, and indulgences.
    3) That the Catholics believed that Jesus was God in some fashion.
    4) Passover would be on Sunday and not the biblical date of Nisan 14.

    Constantine, only one year after convening the Council of Nicea, had his own son Crispus put to death.
    Later he suffocated Fausta (his wife) in an overheated bath.
    Then he had his sister's son flogged to death and her husband strangled.
    Throughout his reign, Constantine treated the bishops as political aides.
    He agreed to enforce whatever opinion the majority of the bishops formulated.

    sources: Babylon Mystery Religion, 1981, Ralph Woodrow Association, pp. 55-59.
    Ibid., pp. 47-54 Also, Seymour, The Cross in Tradition, History, and Art, 1897, New York: G.P. Putnam's Sons, pp. 9-26.


    And another part to Mithraism is birthday celebration.
    The Bible show birthdays be celebrated by pagans... Genesis 40:20-22; Matthew 14:6-11.

    The Lore of Birthdays (New York, 1952) by Ralph and Adelin Linton, on pages 8, 18-20 had this to say:
    The Greeks believed that everyone had a protective spirit or daemon who attended his birth and watched over him in life.
    This spirit had a mystic relation with the god on whose birthday the individual was born. The Romans also subscribed to this idea. . . . This notion was carried down in human belief and is reflected in the guardian angel, the fairy godmother and the patron saint. . . . The custom of lighted candles on the cakes started with the Greeks. . . . Honey cakes round as the moon and lit with tapers were placed on the temple altars of [Artemis]. . . . Birthday candles, in folk belief, are endowed with special magic for granting wishes. . . . Lighted tapers and sacrificial fires have had a special mystic significance ever since man first set up altars to his gods.
    The birthday candles are thus an honor and tribute to the birthday child and bring good fortune...


     
  2. AFrazier

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    It says, "And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth." (Luke 1:26) It does not say, "in her sixth month ...," but "in the sixth month ..." The sixth month of the year was also "the sixth month with her, who was called barren." (Luke 1:36) Just because Elisabeth was in her sixth month of pregnancy per v. 1:36 doesn't mean that it has any bearing on the interpretation ten verses earlier in v. 1:26 when it says the angel came in the sixth month.

    You are making an assumption about the text.

    So, yes, according to the text, John was conceived in the month of Nisan. You say that like it's a problem. Am I missing something?
     
  3. Nicolaus Mourer

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    Christ Jesus abolished the ordinances of the law with his death, burial and resurrection.
     
  4. Invalidusername

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    If we left it all up to legalistic "Christians", we'd never ever celebrate any holidays. Thankfully the Bible condemns legalism just as much as sinning.
     
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  5. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

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    Keeping a birthday is Paganism, as it is a Pagan custom(Gen 40:18-22 Pharaoh, Herod Mark 6:26-27,Matt 14:6-10) not kept by the Jews of the Old or New Covenant. By keeping this Pagan custom you enter into sin.

    We as Christians only are to keep two days the Sabbath day and the Lord's supper. As those are the only two commanded by the Lord. To keep another holiday is to add to the traditions fully preached on by the Apostles and Christ.
     
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  6. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

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    Exactly we should stand firm in what was taught by them and written down in the Gospel and in the Apostles writings(as those are the words of God fully preached by them). Everything taught to the separate branches of the Church(by the Apostles) we have today written down.

    Nothing within this written word tells us we are to keep Pagan traditions, in fact we are told to remove ourselves from such practices.
     
  7. Not David

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    The Catholic and Orthodox Churches have Traditions passed down from the Apostles.
     
  8. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

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    So you believe, but they are not found in Scripture. Any church practice that does not agree with God's word is not of God.
     
  9. ~Anastasia~

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    No, I'm afraid that's not what it says.

    It says to keep ALL of the teachings delivered, whether they were delivered in person (by word) or written down (by Epistle).

    The Church wasn't spread and established by mailing out a bunch of Bibles. It was planted by the Apostles living with the people and teaching them how to "do Church", what to believe, and how to live. The epistles were (mostly corrective, sometimes encouraging) letters sent after the fact. They are and never were intended to be a complete how-to manual.
     
  10. Not David

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    And yet you take the books of the Bible chosen by them.
     
  11. ~Anastasia~

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    There is nothing in Holy Tradition that disagrees with the Holy Scriptures. That isn't possible. The Scriptures are the highest authority we possess (in tangible form).

    But they aren't a how-to manual. They tell us to baptize, but not how to baptize, for example. And much, much more.
     
  12. JackRT

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    Celebration of birthdays is a human custom not necessarily a pagan custom. In any such custom any evil is to be found not in the custom itself but in the intent of those keeping it. If you regard a custom as evil, by all means avoid it but do not judge those who do it innocently and out of respect.
     
  13. Yeshua HaDerekh

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  14. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

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    They were books not written by them, in fact I disagree with several of the books added/chosen by them.

    The word of God existed in written form well before Catholicism, giving them credit for making the bible is absurd. All they did was put the already existent books together, many of which are not the word of God which is why they were taken out by Christians.

    I take, use, and believe in the books inspired by God.
     
  15. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

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    Brother,
    Nowhere in the bible do we see any man of God keeping this Practice, only Pagans and Satan worshipers. Unless it can be shown to have been kept by either the OT Jews or NT Jews, we can only say that it was/is a Pagan custom not spoken of/kept by the Apostles and Christ therefore should not be kept.

    I judge all things by the word of God alone, as we are all commanded to do.
     
  16. Brightmoon

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    Xmas to me is a day to enjoy family and friends I don’t care if it’s pagan in origin. My family is multicultural anyway not every one is the same religion nor are they all one race
     
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  17. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

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    I agree Christ and the Apostles fully preached the Doctrine and traditions of Christ leaving out nothing.

    If we have any questions as to what these traditions were all we have to do is read God's word.

    Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
     
  18. Yeshua HaDerekh

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    Just as in Judaism, some traditions were given orally. The Church has preserved these as traditions within the Church.
     
  19. Nicolaus Mourer

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    I am fully persuaded in my own mind that keeping the holiday of Christmas is not sin, in that I am assured that the grace of God abounds unto all that believe. I would, for your sakes, forsake the celebration of such a holiday, if it were to cause you to stumble; but as for me, I honor the Lord with it, thereby fulfilling the scripture which says, "Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God."
     
  20. ~Anastasia~

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    Do you understand what the "whether by" means here? It explicitly means "even if we didn't write it down in the epistles".
     
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