Do you agree with these statements?

[AV1611VET]

The genus never changes.

Thus the Equus in the OP are still Equus.

Neither - it's just a retelling of an ancient morality tale.

Coyotes wouldn't need to board the Ark, would they?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Thus the Equus in the OP are still Equus.

Did someone suggest they weren't?

Coyotes wouldn't need to board the Ark, would they?

They couldn't, it being fiction and all.

 

[AV1611VET]

They couldn't, it being fiction and all.

I think you know what I meant.

If you remove all subspecies from a Genus, except the top Genus, will all the subspecies eventually return?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

If you remove all subspecies from a Genus, except the top Genus, will all the subspecies eventually return?

If there are no species in a genus, it is extinct, defunct. How could subspecies return if there are no species to give rise to them?

 

[Speedwell]

I think you know what I meant.

If you remove all subspecies from a Genus, except the top Genus, will all the subspecies eventually return?

Genera are divided into species. It's species that have sub-species. I have no idea what you mean by the "top genus."

 

[AV1611VET]

I have no idea what you mean by the "top genus."

I'll make this into a challenge thread.

 

[Speedwell]

I'll make this into a challenge thread.

And the challenge is trying to figure out what you mean by "top genus?"

 

[AV1611VET]

And the challenge is trying to figure out what you mean by "top genus?"

Top dog ... top of the gene pool ... Canis lepophagus.

 

[Speedwell]

Top dog ... top of the gene pool ... Canis lepophagus.

Canis lepophagus is a species.

 

[AV1611VET]

Canis lepophagus is a species.

Have a nice day.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Canis lepophagus is a species.

And an extinct species...

 

[inquiring mind]

The genus never changes. Species have occasionally been misattributed to the wrong genus, but evolution doesn't change the genus.

Exactly what we've been saying all along... with genus equaling kind of course.

Neither - it's just a retelling of an ancient morality tale.

Whether you like it or not, it's the only written history we have... everything else is speculation.

 

[pitabread]

Exactly what we've been saying all along... with genus equaling kind of course.

The assignment of a genus to biological groups is arbitrary though. Are you saying "kinds" are just arbitrary human classifications?

 

[AV1611VET]

The assignment of a genus to biological groups is arbitrary though.

So, for example, one shrewdness might assign "Panthera" to one set of species, while another shrewdness might assign a different name to the same set?

 

[pitabread]

So, for example, one shrewdness might assign "Panthera" to one set of species, while another shrewdness might assign a different name to the same set?

I'm saying the choosing of the "set" itself is arbitrary.

It's not uncommon for assigned taxonomic classifications to change.

This is why I don't understand why creationists would be so quick to marry their "kind" definition to modern biological taxonomy. It's basically an admission that such classification is arbitrary.

 

[AV1611VET]

I'm saying the choosing of the "set" itself is arbitrary.

Frankly I don't think they know what they're doing.

 

[pitabread]

Frankly I don't think they know what they're doing.

That kinda throws a monkey-wrench into your "kind = genus" claim.

 

[inquiring mind]

That kinda throws a monkey-wrench into your "kind = genus" claim.

We only equated kind to genus to appease your persistence on a scientific-type definition. We’ll gladly go back to just using kind in the discussions now.

 

[pitabread]

We only equated kind to genus to appease your persistence on a scientific-type definition. We’ll gladly go back to just using kind in the discussions now.

Given that "kind" appears to be meaningless in these discussions, you might as well.

 

[inquiring mind]

Given that "kind" appears to be meaningless in these discussions, you might as well.

You’ve claimed taxonomic classifications to be everything from fuzzy to artificial classifications that aren't actually real in nature, so what’s the difference?