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And the emergence of new species has been observed and confirmed. You are going to have to fin some other reason to deny evolution.
 
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Absolutely true. I only have an issue with the Zebra offspring becoming some other species.
 
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Yes Speedwell, I'm one of them.
But why? The emergence of new species is well established. I'll let somebody else argue the science with you. I'm more interested to know why you think you need to deny it.
 
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It's not something individual creatures decide for themselves.
I am fully aware of that.

The idea of species transition to another species is a very strong claim. Considering species appear abruptly and ready to go, in the fossil record.
 
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What are you inferring? A cat will over a million years turn into a dog?
No, I was asking a question--which after responding to my post three times you have not yet answered.
 
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I am fully aware of that.

The idea of species transition to another species is a very strong claim. Considering species appear abruptly and ready to go, in the fossil record.
What do you mean by "ready to go?"
 
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But why? The emergence of new species is well established. I'll let somebody else argue the science with you. I'm more interested to know why you think you need to deny it.
Because the fossil record denies speciation.
 
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What do you mean by "ready to go?"
Explain the following.

Angiosperms appear rather suddenly in the fossil record, with no obvious ancestors for a period of about 80 to 90 million years prior to their appearance. Not even fossil leaves or pollen are known from this earlier time.
 
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How then do you account for the victories of WW2 with Germany being superior in almost every measurable way - and the 6 day war with Israel being ridiculously outnumbered and under equipped.
Neither of those characterisations are reasonable.

Israel had incredible preparedness and intelligence and Germany was massively overextended and unprepared for the environments they fought in.
 
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Because the fossil record denies speciation.
Not a logical possibility. The strongest argument you could make is that the fossil record does not confirm speciation, which leaves the question of why you deny it unanswered.
 
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Not a logical possibility. The strongest argument you could make is that the fossil record does not confirm speciation, which leaves the question of why you deny it unanswered.
Your seeing patterns in morphology that I don't see in the fossil record. There is simply, A, B, C, D, ...

Why try to explain something that obviously lacks the fossil evidence to support it?
 
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Your seeing patterns in morphology that I don't see in the fossil record.
I think it is relevant to ask what training you have in recognising morphological patterns in the fossil record. I so ask.
 
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Your seeing patterns in morphology that I don't see in the fossil record. There is simply, A, B, C, D, ...

Why try to explain something that obviously lacks the fossil evidence to support it?
Why deny something that the fossil record merely does not confirm in all cases? Speciation has been observed in living creatures, in some cases has been relatively well confirmed in the fossil record and at the present time there is no credible alternative explanation for the emergence of species. Still, to remain unconvinced of it is not unreasonable. Outright denial requires further information.
 
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