Do you agree that Christians should obey all 613 commandments?

[Fireinfolding]

James 4:11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Speeding

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by listed If one sins they're not keeping the law. Plain and simple.

Of course not. When we sin we break the Law of God..

Sounds like you 2 finally agree

 

[tzadik]

Nah I can't keep it.
if I could I wouldn't need Jesus

Dude.
Keeping the Law was NEVER meant to give ANYONE salvation.

Messiah's death = REDEMPTION
Law of God = INSTRUCTION

Redemption does NOT replace Instruction.
Instruction does NOT replace Redemption.

One of these days, someone will finally understand this concept.
God did NOT give His Law, so that men could keep it in order to earn salvation.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Dude.
Keeping the Law was NEVER meant to give ANYONE salvation.

Messiah's death = REDEMPTION
Law of God = INSTRUCTION

Redemption does NOT replace Instruction.
Instruction does NOT replace Redemption.

One of these days, someone will finally understand this concept.
God did NOT give His Law, so that men could keep it in order to earn salvation.

Hopefully sooner than later

Hosea 13:14 "From hand of sh@'owl I shall ransom them.
From Death I shall redeem them

1 Corinthians 7:23 Of value/honor ye are purchased/hgorasqhte <59>
no be ye becoming! bond servents of men.
[Hosea 13:14/Reve 5:9]

Reve 5:9 And they are singing a song new saying "worthy are Thou to be receiving the scroll and to open up the seals of it
that Thou was slaughtered/slain and did purchase/hgorasaV <59> to the God of us, in the blood of Thee, out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation".

 

[listed]

Of course not. When we sin we break the Law of God.
Breaking the Law is going to happen as long as we have this mortal and sinful body that loves to sin.
But keeping, obeying and following God's Law is when righteous believers, adhere to and obey the will of God outlined in ALL of His Word (Including the Law).
Will we fail and miss the mark? Absolutely. But will we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid!
Keeping and Obedience to the Law of God does NOT equal "PERFECTION".
It means living a life according to God's Word. It means, when you mess up and miss the mark, you set it right and do better next time.
This is why it says "line upon line" "precept upon precept". It's not about "perfectly" following the letter of the law, trying to get everything right.
But rather an inward obedience, that automatically manifests into outward obedience to the Perfect Will of God.
If I try to move a finger in obedience with my own strength...it would be in vain.
But with the Help of His Spirit, I am able to walk according to His Will and His Ways.
Because at the end of the day, I am a child of God, encouraged and instructed to walk according to His Word.

So it seems to me that not sinning is following the law no matter how or by who it is acomplished it that correct?

Assuming that is correct, then how is following the leading of the Spirit following the leading of the law? Gal 5:18 states following the Spirit isn't following the law or obligation to the law.

 

[listed]

It's like speeding.
Every time I speed, I am breaking the Law and NOT keeping the Law.
Consciously or unconsciously.
Every time I drive the speed limit, I am keeping the Law.

Same thing with God's Word.
If His Word says, children obey and honor your parents...and I obey and honor my parents, I am keeping/guarding/obeying God's Word.
If I dishonor my parents, I am breaking/going against God's Word and Will.

So this must be part time obedience by either example you gave. It kinda like being sorta pregnant. Either you are or your not. There is no inbetween if you're pregnant.

 

[listed]

Dude.
Keeping the Law was NEVER meant to give ANYONE salvation.

Messiah's death = REDEMPTION
Law of God = INSTRUCTION

Redemption does NOT replace Instruction.
Instruction does NOT replace Redemption.

One of these days, someone will finally understand this concept.
God did NOT give His Law, so that men could keep it in order to earn salvation.

Well you make some good points about the law. Now why do you insist we keep it? No one here that I've read suggests or tells people to sin. The law people say ther grace people do though. I still haven't seen such a post by the grace people. Please point it out.

 

[Lysimachus]

James 4:11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.

Now that is a good one!

 

[Fireinfolding]

Now that is a good one!

Thanks Was looking at my brothers "keeper" and that one come up, well if you look at the apple of the eye

Prov 7:2 Keep my commandments, and live; and my law as the apple of thine eye.

Zech 2:8 For thus saith the LORD of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye.

Was looking at this when it says he that speaketh evil of his brother speaketh evil of the law itself.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Fireinfolding James 4:11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.

Now that is a good one!

Yepperz!
Case closed.....

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[listed]

Yepperz!
Case closed.....

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Ah rats. I was betting we would see Chris Bot and get to start all over again.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Ah rats. I was betting we would see Chris Bot and get to start all over again.

Yeah.....ChrisBot is kewl

 

[listed]

Yeah.....ChrisBot is kewl

I always enjoy the end of the thread antiics and game.

 

[FredVB]

There was this response to my post two pages back:

So complain because people don't take your view as their own. This type of approach shows lack of validity in an argument. I really don't like the poor little o me attitude. It gets automatic dismissal from me.

I do not care about any sympathy or compassion from you. There are enough passages from scripture that establishes the truth of the things I say, what I have showm from it gets to be disregarded by those posting with your view.

James 4:11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.

Now that is a good one!

Yepperz!
Case closed.....
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This was one good case for scriptural passages establishing the truth of things I hsve beem saying which have been argued against, and this would make it conclusive.

 

[listed]

There was this response to my post two pages back:

I do not care about any sympathy or compassion from you. There are enough passages from scripture that establishes the truth of the things I say, what I have showm from it gets to be disregarded by those posting with your view.

This was one good case for scriptural passages establishing the truth of things I hsve beem saying which have been argued against, and this would make it conclusive.

Well to be safe I won't say much becasue it is taken as a personal attack.

I do want to ask what would it take for you to understand. Or what do we have to say in order for you to not feel this way? I'm really most curious because this seems to come up often. A curious thing for me is generallly who (basic group of people trying to support the samething) says this type of thing.

Does anyone besides me see this? Or is anyone paying attention?

 

[brinny]

Ah rats. I was betting we would see Chris Bot and get to start all over again.

hahahahaaaa

 

[brinny]

soon and very soon...

 

[brinny]

hey, Chrisie Bot, where iz ya?

 

[brinny]

i thinks i hears him a'comin'.....