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I ask you to show there was on day 6 of creation such a thing.
I'm not known as a law pusher and I don't push or preach the law either.You said: "As a law pusher would argue marriage is before the law and thus outside of the law. Marriage was created and sanctioned in the garden. Now divorece is part of the law".
Please note I highlighted As a law pusher. Incidence isn't obedience. And BTW marriage and divorce are now regulated by the govenrment and not the church. Therefore it isn't even the Bible that Christians in general follow in this matter. The power and authority is now generally given by the state through law and license and can be terminated legally only through the law of the civil government as well. So who do you submit to. I'm still a single man having never married. That puts me out of your rhelm on the matter.And don't we still observe the law of adultery and divorce? Which means there is law that we follow?
You said: "As a law pusher would argue marriage is before the law and thus outside of the law. Marriage was created and sanctioned in the garden. Now divorece is part of the law".I'm not known as a law pusher and I don't push or preach the law either.Incidence isn't obedience. And BTW marriage and divorece are now regulated by the govenrment and not the church. Therefore it isn't even the Bible that Christians in general follow in this matter. The power and authority is now generally given by the state through law and license and can be terminated legally only through the law of the civil government as well. So who do you submit to. I'm still a single man having never married. That putsme out of your rhelm on the matter.
The law of man never supersedes that of God. Adultery is handled by Gods law first and mans law second.
Please bekieve Jesus.[/QUOTE][/COLOR]Really? Where? What? Where? Jesus told a young rich man that ask an ignorant question for a Jew, What good thing can I do? Where does Jesus even imply that one could keep the commandments? Jesus (God) certainly would know the law. Jesus gave him the correct answer. The problem is that no mere man has ever been able to comply. And the Scripture says so as I have already stated. Ps 14:3, 53:3 and Isa 64:6. There are numerous NT verses implying and state the same. But the young rich man didn't have that benefit and therefore I didn't uses them.
Jesus said - Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Jesus also says this about Himself - 1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
2But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
3To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
4And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
5And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
6This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them. 7Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
who are we to believe? you or the Christ?
The "law of fornication"? Where is that "law" found in Scripture?And we're still bound to obey the law of fornication when not married..
How does Gen 2 affect the order of creation? Are you saying that creation wasn't finished on day 7 which included Eve?just open your bible and read Genesis chapter 2, you know?
What does the Scripture say? The subject is the law not laws of God. Semantics you say. Read Jeremiah 31:31-34. What Jeremiah said God promised wasn't like the law in existence. So blame Jeremiah for my view not me.that's the chapter that recounts the history of the creation.
there's chapter 1 and by chapter 2 eve is called adam's wife.
i hope that works for you.
and, you can keep going around saying there was no law before the time of moses, if you want.
The "law of fornication"? Where is that "law" found in Scripture?
FORNICATION
The incontinence or lewdness of unmarried persons, male or female; also, the criminal conversation of a married man with an unmarried woman; adultery; incest; a forsaking of the true God and worshiping of idols (Webster).
The Bible uses this term as a general description for immorality (Matthew 5:32; 15:19; 19:9; Acts 15:20,29; 21:15; Romans 1:29; 1 Corinthians 5:1; 6:18; 7:2; 2 Corinthians 12:21; Galatians 5:19; Ephesians 5:3; Colossians 3:5; 1Thessalonians 4:3; Revelation 9:21). Like adultery, fornication is also used in a spiritual sense to describe turning from God to serve false gods (Ezekiel 16:29-34; Revelation 2:21; 14:8; 17:2,4; 18:3; 19:2). The Greek word translated fornication is porneia, from which the English word "pornographic" is derived.
It is a given that a born again Christian (married or unmarried) will not commit any acts of immorality when he/she is walking in the Spirit. Why would somebody, who has trusted in the Lord Jesus Christ for their salvation, do such things? That is just plumb silly! The Christian's rule of life is not the law....but Christ Himself. (Romans 13:14)
Your church submits to the state for the authority to perform a marriage ceremony. What does the minister say? By the authority vested in me I pronoounce you... He signs a marriage license granted by the state which is filed at the county court house - a state institution. Last I knew God issues no such thing to be signed. Marriage is a civil legal partnership between two people with no structure unless they have a prenuptiual agreement or contract. I hear that some states no license co-habitation with conjugal rights and no marriage. I was shocked to hear this from what I took to be a sincere and mature in the faith Christian.Last I knew is that God issues no such thing to be signed.You said: "As a law pusher would argue marriage is before the law and thus outside of the law. Marriage was created and sanctioned in the garden. Now divorece is part of the law".
The law of man never supersedes that of God. Adultery is handled by Gods law first and mans law second.
Your church submits to the state for the authority to perform a marriage ceremony. What does the minister say? By the authority vested in me I pronoounce you... He signs a marriage license granted by the state which is filed at the county court house - a state institution. Last I knew God issues no such thing to be signed. Marriage is a civil legal partnership between two people with no structure unless they have a prenuptiual agreement or contract. I hear that some states no license co-habitation with conjugal rights and no marriage. I was shocked to hear this from what I took to be a sincere and mature in the faith Christian.Last I knew is that God issues no such thing to be signed.
If hes referring to the power given to him by the state and not God then he says that because its required of the law. Gods law always supersedes any man made law. One day Christians may give their lives to prove that.
What does the Scripture say? The subject is the law not laws of God. Semantics you say. Read Jeremiah 31:31-34. What Jeremiah said God promised wasn't like the law in existence. So blame Jeremiah for my view not me.H[/COLOR]ow does Gen 2 affect the order of creation? Are you saying that creation wasn't finished on day 7 which included Eve?
that's the chapter that recounts the history of the creation.
there's chapter 1 and by chapter 2 eve is called adam's wife.
i hope that works for you.
and, you can keep going around saying there was no law before the time of moses, if you want.
I'm not known as a law pusher and I don't push or preach the law either.Please note I highlighted As a law pusher. Incidence isn't obedience. And BTW marriage and divorce are now regulated by the govenrment and not the church. Therefore it isn't even the Bible that Christians in general follow in this matter. The power and authority is now generally given by the state through law and license and can be terminated legally only through the law of the civil government as well. So who do you submit to. I'm still a single man having never married. That puts me out of your rhelm on the matter.
1. And we're still bound to obey the law of fornication when not married..
2. Col 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: etc etc
I understand the word fornication.
Let me say how I understand you, because I am not sure what you mean with: And we're still bound to obey the law of fornication when not married..
Like I understand you is: when you aren't married you are still bound at the law of fornication..(Or like the Philipstranslation said: Sexual immorality)
can you explain this?
Your church submits to the state for the authority to perform a marriage ceremony. What does the minister say? By the authority vested in me I pronoounce you... He signs a marriage license granted by the state which is filed at the county court house - a state institution. Last I knew God issues no such thing to be signed. Marriage is a civil legal partnership between two people with no structure unless they have a prenuptiual agreement or contract. I hear that some states no license co-habitation with conjugal rights and no marriage. I was shocked to hear this from what I took to be a sincere and mature in the faith Christian.Last I knew is that God issues no such thing to be signed.
i can't even believe you went there!
you must be getting desperate to defend your position!
maybe this will help:
Matthew 19:4-6(NKJV)
4And He answered and said to them, Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5and said, For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh?
6So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.
since God created the institution of marriage, how can we say that it's regulated by the man's government?
who changed things?
The first question is: who gave a person the authority to marry?
Second question is: Who gave a person the authority to divorce?
Third question is: What said the Bible about divorce.. and what does the state saying about divorce.
The point that I wanted to make is... And I think in the US it is the same as Holland. There is a separation between church and state.
What mean here in Holland: The Bible isn't leading when we make the law. It is possible here to make laws against the will of God.
The first question is: who gave a person the authority to marry?
Second question is: Who gave a person the authority to divorce?
Third question is: What said the Bible about divorce.. and what does the state saying about divorce.
The point that I wanted to make is... And I think in the US it is the same as Holland. There is a separation between church and state.
What mean here in Holland: The Bible isn't leading when we make the law. It is possible here to make laws against the will of God.
Thats right. Gods law is the supreme court.
The first question is: who gave a person the authority to marry?
Second question is: Who gave a person the authority to divorce?
Third question is: What said the Bible about divorce.. and what does the state saying about divorce.
The point that I wanted to make is... And I think in the US it is the same as Holland. There is a separation between church and state.
What mean here in Holland: The Bible isn't leading when we make the law. It is possible here to make laws against the will of God.
here, here!
in the u.s. some want to sanction "same sex" marriage!
I was responding to scratch. I showed the basis for law without marriage.
And i was showing where the law of fornication was located in the bible because i was asked to.
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