Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments?

from scratch said:

Why are you trying so hard to establish an obligation to the law? Don't you like grace?

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I love Grace. The more i try to obey the 10 C's but fail the more Grace i get. But when i do manage to obey them i'm not sinning am I?

Isolation said:

you're contorting pauls words lol

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Paul had a lot to say in Romans Chapter 14. He speaks about those that eat certain foods and observe a certain day. Allow me to post it.


Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. 2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. 3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. 4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. 7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. 8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. 9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. 10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. 12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. 13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way. 14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. 15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died. 16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of: 17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. 18 For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men. 19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another. 20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence. 21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak. 22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth. 23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

11822 said:

I love Grace. The more i try to obey the 10 C's but fail the more Grace i get. But when i do manage to obey them i'm not sinning am I?

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Your grace does not seem to be grace at all. It is more like an excuse to fall back upon when you fail in your obligation to keep the commandments. Then, very oddly, this excuse becomes the means of forcing you back onto the treadmill of trying to keep commandments which you yourself admit you cannot keep.

What I see here is a toothless set of commandments and a fickle grace.

For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence. 21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak. 22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth. 23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

bbbbbbb said:

Your grace does not seem to be grace at all. It is more like an excuse to fall back upon when you fail in your obligation to keep the commandments. Then, very oddly, this excuse becomes the means of forcing you back onto the treadmill of trying to keep commandments which you yourself admit you cannot keep.

What I see here is a toothless set of commandments and a fickle grace.

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God knows my heart and will Judge it.

bbbbbbb said:

Your grace does not seem to be grace at all. It is more like an excuse to fall back upon when you fail in your obligation to keep the commandments. Then, very oddly, this excuse becomes the means of forcing you back onto the treadmill of trying to keep commandments which you yourself admit you cannot keep.

What I see here is a toothless set of commandments and a fickle grace.

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By trying to obey Gods 10 Cs, what commandments will i fall back on? The commandment to love my God, neighbor and enemy.

I surely don't know everything. This topic focussed on whether we should obey the 10 commandments or not has me confused. Just tell me this, maybe we can understand one another better. Am i allowed to break Gods 10 commandments? If so does this mean i can commit adultery and God will not require me to repent?

11822 said:

I love Grace. The more i try to obey the 10 C's but fail the more Grace i get. But when i do manage to obey them i'm not sinning am I?

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I certianly understand the need for grace if one is trying to follow the law.

My question remains unanswered why are you trying so hard to establish an obligation to the law? Please answer this question.

11822 said:

I surely don't know everything. This topic focussed on whether we should obey the 10 commandments or not has me confused. Just tell me this, maybe we can understand one another better. Am i allowed to break Gods 10 commandments? If so does this mean i can commit adultery and God will not require me to repent?

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I don't buy that the confusion line at all.

Surely if you have read this thread at all you'll see a difference in the covenants. The Christian isn't obligated to a superceded covenant. So either there is a misunderstanding of covenants or you're a law pusher. I take there is a problem with Paul.

I feel God urging me to love and forgive. To be humble and show mercy, this much is clear to me. But where does the Law fit into all of this. Some say we're not obligated to follow the 10 commandments, some say we're. I'm left confused concerning Gods will for us. Please tell me, what's the answer? Didn't the apostles and Jesus obey the 10 commandments, and are we as followers supposed to obey them also?

from scratch said:

I certianly understand the need for grace if one is trying to follow the law.

My question remains unanswered why are you trying so hard to establish an obligation to the law? Please answer this question.

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What is the need for Grace if there is no law? What do i need forgiven for if not a failure to follow the Law? My obligation is to God who commanded certain things, some of which are found in the 10 Cs. What does God require from me if not to love. How can i love if i don't obey His law, the whole law is hung upon Love, can i love God, neighbor or enemy by disobeying Gods commandments?

11822 said:

Does this mean we have freedom to disobey Gods commandments? Freedom to Kill, to use Gods name in vain or put other Gods before Him? To commit adultery with another mans wife or covet and steal the things that belong to him?

This sounds like the opposite of what the new testament defines Christ or a Christian to be.

We're supposed to be like Christ and Christ obeyed the 10 Commandments and so did His apostles

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What did Jesus say in John 15:10? Which commandments are we supposed to obey? Which ones did Jesus obey?

from scratch said:

I don't buy that the confusion line at all.

Surely if you have read this thread at all you'll see a difference in the covenants. The Christian isn't obligated to a superceded covenant. So either there is a misunderstanding of covenants or you're a law pusher. I take there is a problem with Paul.

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I'm a law of love Pusher. I push myself to Love God, neighbor and enemy. What part of the 10c's keeps me from doing this? What part of the 10Cs is not an act of love? Am i wrong for trusting that Gods commandments are Good for me to follow? Am i evil for obeying Gods commandments? I have no problem with Paul and i Don't think Paul had a problem with the 10 Cs. Paul repeatedly talks about keeping away from works of the flesh which are the opposite of the 10 Cs. Paul must have kept the 10 Cs.

11822 said:

I see it as Gods will. Without the commandment to condemn me, what do we need Christ for? Without the 10 C's Christs sufferings are meaningless. If we void the law that Christ saves us from, then we void the meaning for Christs death along with it.


Doesn't the New Testament teach us to be Holy? Doesn't being Holy mean to learn to obey the Commandments? What makes a holy lifestyle if not obeying Gods Commandments which are also Holy?

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Nope the NT nor Jesus teaches that we're obligated to the law.

Where did the scribes and Pharisees get their righteousness from? Didn't Jesus say one can't secure eternal life the same way? How does one get the righteousness required?

from scratch said:

What did Jesus say in John 15:10? Which commandments are we supposed to obey? Which ones did Jesus obey?

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John 15:10 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. 10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.


Jesus said to not judge and to love our enemies. He said to turn the other cheek. But i don't see where Jesus said that it was ok to not obey His fathers 10 commandments. Are you saying that because Jesus kept Gods commandments that we don't need to?

11822 said:

If I am mistaken, I'm not sure "hopelessly mistaken" is correct. I have the lord and so i have much Hope. Am i obligated as a Christian to obey the commandment that says not to use Gods name in vain?

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If one has the Lord, why would this be a problem?

11822 said:

You shall have no other gods before me.

You shall not make for yourself any carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.

Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.

You shall not murder.

You shall not commit adultery.

You shall not steal.

You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”




I temporarily removed the Sabbath commandment. Which of these remaining commandments am i not obligated to obey?

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And is the purpose of this to get anyone to say that we're obligated to the law? Incidence isn't obedience. No Gentile has ever been obligated to the law. It wasn't given to them.

from scratch said:

Nope the NT nor Jesus teaches that we're obligated to the law.

Where did the scribes and Pharisees get their righteousness from? Didn't Jesus say one can't secure eternal life the same way? How does one get the righteousness required?

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I know where salvation comes from. I know it to come from Faith and not works, faith and not the law. But you tell me that the New testament doesn't require us to follow the 10 Cs. Doesn't Jesus define adultery as putting your wife away for any reason except fornication? Where did Jesus say we were not obligated to follow the commandment that says "thou shall not commit adultery"? Where does Jesus say any law of God found in the 10 Cs are now made void?

Why would we have to be obligated to the law when Christ fulfilled the law? Fulfilled means that it was completed.

11822 said:

I know where salvation comes from. I know it to come from Faith and not works, faith and not the law. But you tell me that the New testament doesn't require us to follow the 10 Cs. Doesn't Jesus define adultery as putting your wife away for any reason except fornication? Where did Jesus say we were not obligated to follow the commandment that says "thou shall not commit adultery"? Where does Jesus say any law of God found in the 10 Cs are now made void?

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That's correct - O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

2This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?