Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments?

[Elder 111]

How so?

Acts 20: 7And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
We know that the day started at evening, so the night would have been directly after the Sabbath. Once the disciples were assembled for Sabbath meaning and knowing that Paul was leaving they continue until midnight. It certainly could not be day time Sunday that they met, because the following night would have been the second day not the first.

 

[Elder 111]

Where does Jesus say to remember the sabbath?

Jesus is the I Am. The I am Spoke to Moses. Jesus is God. Jesus and the Father are one.
What the father does or say is of the son, as well as what the son does and say is of the father. John 14.
8Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

 

[Elder 111]

It has been pointed out in the forum that those two commandments are much broader than even the 10 Cs. While they in no way indicate an obligation to them.

You mean while we do not want to indicate or accept any obligation to them.

 

[Elder 111]

So spearhead a movement for such about the sabbath. All of the things cited aboe were started by one single individual. Want to make history?

No need. It has already been done and on going even in this tread, in the work of sabbath keepers around the world and in the word of God most of all.
The problem is that just like the Israelites, we are faltering just on the border of the "promise land".
It shows why Jesus made statements like, would He find faith when He comes. The very elect would be deceived except those days be shorten, depart from Me I never knew you.
The is the situation also, of where there are 10 virgins, indicating that they are all of the church, but five are foolish and lost.
The world are showing the signs of fulfilling prophecy and the soon return of Christ but christians are decreasing in number. Those maintain the name are denying vital truths. A very sad situation. Satan knows he has a short time but we are unaware.

 

[from scratch]

Acts 20: 7And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
We know that the day started at evening, so the night would have been directly after the Sabbath. Once the disciples were assembled for Sabbath meaning and knowing that Paul was leaving they continue until midnight. It certainly could not be day time Sunday that they met, because the following night would have been the second day not the first.

Very entertaining. The hoops one will jump through to deceive is increditable. What day is it that you mentioned when Paul preached to them until midnight? Is it the sabbath or the first day of the week? Your mixing two ways of accounting for time to say that it wasn't the first day of the week. IOW you're calling Saturday the sabbath by the Gregorian calendar when it fits. You don't observe the sabbath as the 24 hr period of time called Saturday. The sabbath is considered as sundown to sundown starting on Friday of the Gregorian calendar these days. It isn't even the Biblical sabbath. The time period being talked about technically would be Sunday- the first day of the week, not Saturday and most certianly not the sabbath.

The last statement of your argument presented only shows that the sabbath wasn't Sunday. It also enforces the doubble standard in the calling of days as convient.

So I find the claim to be fraudulent based on a deceptive idea.

 

[from scratch]

Jesus is the I Am. The I am Spoke to Moses. Jesus is God. Jesus and the Father are one.
What the father does or say is of the son, as well as what the son does and say is of the father. John 14.
8Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Jesus isn't THE I AM. Jesus was before Abraham as stated in John 8:58. Big difference there. This is an obvious declaration stating the Jesus is God. Jesus isn't stating that He is the Father Who issued the 10 Cs. I can back that up with OT Scripture only if you would like.

Jesus isn't saying He is the Father in the conversation with Phillip. BTW that would be denying the trinity a requirement for posting in this section and possibbly a denial of the statement of faith from your church.

 

[from scratch]

You mean while we do not want to indicate or accept any obligation to them.

I clearly mean that a Christian has no, none as in absolutely no obligation to the law. This isn't permission to sin. Again incidence isn't obedience as I stated and illustrated in many posts.

 

[from scratch]

No need. It has already been done and on going even in this tread, in the work of sabbath keepers around the world and in the word of God most of all.
The problem is that just like the Israelites, we are faltering just on the border of the "promise land".
It shows why Jesus made statements like, would He find faith when He comes. The very elect would be deceived except those days be shorten, depart from Me I never knew you.
The is the situation also, of where there are 10 virgins, indicating that they are all of the church, but five are foolish and lost.
The world are showing the signs of fulfilling prophecy and the soon return of Christ but christians are decreasing in number. Those maintain the name are denying vital truths. A very sad situation. Satan knows he has a short time but we are unaware.

I will let you have the weekly sabbath. I have the rest that Jesus offered in Mat 11:28-30 which isn't the sabbath but the rest that they couldn't enter into because of unbelief. I rest my body every night and my soul 100% of the time.

 

[from scratch]

Have a wonderful Easter as you celebrate the fact that Jesus rose from the grave in victory over the enemy of my soul.

 

[Elder 111]

Very entertaining. The hoops one will jump through to deceive is increditable. What day is it that you mentioned when Paul preached to them until midnight? Is it the sabbath or the first day of the week? Your mixing two ways of accounting for time to say that it wasn't the first day of the week. IOW you're calling Saturday the sabbath by the Gregorian calendar when it fits. You don't observe the sabbath as the 24 hr period of time called Saturday. The sabbath is considered as sundown to sundown starting on Friday of the Gregorian calendar these days. It isn't even the Biblical sabbath. The time period being talked about technically would be Sunday- the first day of the week, not Saturday and most certianly not the sabbath.

The last statement of your argument presented only shows that the sabbath wasn't Sunday. It also enforces the doubble standard in the calling of days as convient.

So I find the claim to be fraudulent based on a deceptive idea.

I don't follow you. There is no deceptive idea. It is common know that the day is from even to even in all Biblical recounting. Therefore midnight on the first day would be after Sabbath day light. So that the disciples being assembled for Sabbath worship continued until midnight.

 

[Elder 111]

Jesus isn't THE I AM. Jesus was before Abraham as stated in John 8:58. Big difference there. This is an obvious declaration stating the Jesus is God. Jesus isn't stating that He is the Father Who issued the 10 Cs. I can back that up with OT Scripture only if you would like.

Jesus isn't saying He is the Father in the conversation with Phillip. BTW that would be denying the trinity a requirement for posting in this section and possibbly a denial of the statement of faith from your church.

What did Jesus mean when He said that He and His Father are one?
That is all I am saying. What the Father ordains is what the Son ordains. What ever you conceive as being done by the father is as done by the sun.
Is that not So?

 

[Elder 111]

I clearly mean that a Christian has no, none as in absolutely no obligation to the law. This isn't permission to sin. Again incidence isn't obedience as I stated and illustrated in many posts.

I believe that is unacceptable. Doing is not obeying? That is what it sounds like.

 

[Elder 111]

I will let you have the weekly sabbath. I have the rest that Jesus offered in Mat 11:28-30 which isn't the sabbath but the rest that they couldn't enter into because of unbelief. I rest my body every night and my soul 100% of the time.

That is good but not what God requires.

 

[Elder 111]

I believe that Revelation makes the point, particularly in 12,14,and 22, that the law would be the distinguishing mark between His people and the others. Those whon will enjoy eternal life and those who will not.

 

[from scratch]

What did Jesus mean when He said that He and His Father are one?
That is all I am saying. What the Father ordains is what the Son ordains. What ever you conceive as being done by the father is as done by the sun.
Is that not So?

It isn't a declaration that they're one and the same. Just like the statement and they shall be one flesh isn't a declaration that a married man and woman are the same individual being.

 

[from scratch]

I believe that is unacceptable. Doing is not obeying? That is what it sounds like.

Incidence isn't obedience. Gal 5.

 

[from scratch]

That is good but not what God requires.

God never required the keeping of the sabbath of any Gentile any where except when within the gates of an Israelite.

 

[from scratch]

I believe that Revelation makes the point, particularly in 12,14,and 22, that the law would be the distinguishing mark between His people and the others. Those whon will enjoy eternal life and those who will not.

I disagree based on definition, use of words and context alone.

 

[Isolation]

To be honest if you think keeping the 10 commandments can cause you to get the remission of sins then you're silly. The Lord our passover was sacrificed, so one is unleavened by that alone. Of course as a unleavened lump you do not sin anymore. You adding anything is in essence a Pharisee act. The Lord said "beware the leaven of the Pharisees". The Pharisees kept the law blamelessly, did you know that? Or was Paul speaking in vain when he was recalling in his past of when he used to be a Pharisee?

 

[from scratch]

To be honest if you think keeping the 10 commandments can cause you to get the remission of sins then you're silly. The Lord our passover was sacrificed, so one is unleavened by that alone. Of course as a unleavened lump you do not sin anymore. You adding anything is in essence a Pharisee act. The Lord said "beware the leaven of the Pharisees". The Pharisees kept the law blamelessly, did you know that? Or was Paul speaking in vain when he was recalling in his past of when he used to be a Pharisee?