Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments? (4)

[sheina]

Very nice Scripture quotes. What is your point? I'm guessing that you still are demanding obligation to the law. At least that is what it looks like to me. I also guess that you demand that we say we follow the law or aren't Christians.

The Mat 22 reference isn't a command to do anything and the Eph reference is to children and not Christians. Thus it doesn't fit in making the law an obligation to Christians.

Now it might be a confession that you love the Lord with all your heart. I also have that confession. I'm not a legalist. There are many thing called sin in the instutionalized church that simply aren't. They take away the liberty we have in Christ Jesus for manipulative causes that include greed (known as lasciviousness - Eph 4:19, Jude 4) and destroy our witness and ability to reach the lost. Most church people's idea of Christianity doesn't come from the Bible. They have let the world define and confine them to an unatainable behavior for the most part. This fits the statement found in Romans 2:24. Yes many have no understanding of the effects their behavior cause.

I no where condemn anyone for their idea of holding to the law or part of the law. The law is a single undivisible unit as I've shown with and by Scripture in several posts. I simply destest religion with all my heart. It is the worst thing to ever happen to mankind. Yes I certianly understand that is a word we use to catogorize and talk about a relationship with God.

I do have a very stiff problem with those requiring and demanding I become them to get along. I'm simply not a mindless sheeple. If I can't examine what is put before me and make a free will choice, it simply won't be considered. If some one defending an opposing position is a problem, you're in the wrong place. We are both here by choice.

Look if you want bondage, more power to you. This has passed the personal testimony stage long ago. So if you want the law, please suit yourself but don't demand that I follow the law. You have no such right or authority from the Bible. Acts 15 is a great back up for this statement. Those demanding the law be followed were called subverters (those subverting souls). To subvert is to destroy. Look it up. I have chosen grace. Here is why I have chosen grace - Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

I'm not justified by the law. I'm justified by Jesus Christ my Redeemer through the grace of God. To reject this is to make void what Jesus did for me.

I've covered being justified more than once. If one obeys a law for any reason they are justified by that law. If they violate that law they can't be justified unless the proper fine/scarifice/procedure is accomplished.

One simply can't have both as Gal 5:4 states. So a demand to follow the law to be saved or maintain that stated of redemption voids grace and one can't have it, thus no salvation. If this bothers you, I suggest you have a little chat with Jesus as the song goes.

Gal 3:1O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

2This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

The flesh here is a reference to perfomance of the law or the law itself. Paul relates the law to the flesh in more than one place.

Wonderful testimony bro scratch!!!

 

[MichaelPhillips]

I think Christians should keep the 11 commandments. John 13:34 says, A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

Jesus gave us another command.

 

[11822]

Nope it simply can't. The phrase the law strctly refers to the OT. It can't be added to. Jesus didn't add to the law. Remember He came to fulfil the law. This excludes any claim to magnify or change the law in any way.

Please quote the OT passage that states the law is love or that love is a manifestation of the law.

Jesus and the apostles Command us to abstain from fornication, adultry and other things, thats called Jesus law. Not The law.

 

[from scratch]

Jesus and the apostles Command us to abstain from fornication, adultry and other things, thats called Jesus law. Not The law.

Then refer to it in such a way as to distinguish what you're talking about. And don't mix the 2. Would save lots of wear and tear among other things. I think this really illustrates the importance of words and their use.

Now if you want to establish yourself differently you have that opportunity. Just be aware that it will take some time.

 

[from scratch]

Jesus and the apostles Command us to abstain from fornication, adultry and other things, thats called Jesus law. Not The law.

Like I said if you wish to follow a list of rules, more power to you. Be my guest and knock yourself right out. I personally love my liberty in Christ Jesus. The reward for works is death - Romans 6:23. Jesus gives life and the easy way. Yep a Yankee in spirit as well. The easy way comes natural to me.

 

[from scratch]

I only posted scripture. The rest is between you and the Lord.

Bless you. I certainly need to be condemned by something and the law no longer does that to me. Now do I fit in your camp of the condemned?

 

[from scratch]

The reason why man needs redemption is because he is a law-breaker. Take away the law and you take away the need for a Redeemer. Take away the law and you, in reality, make light the sacrifice of Christ.

Nope!

 

[TruthWave7]

Like I said if you wish to follow a list of rules, more power to you. Be my guest and knock yourself right out. I personally love my liberty in Christ Jesus. The reward for works is death - Romans 6:23. Jesus gives life and the easy way. Yep a Yankee in spirit as well. The easy way comes natural to me.

The wages of sin is death. Lawlessness is sin, so breaking God's law is sin.
Your theology would not hold up in a human court of law, much less in God's day of judgment. Your so called freedom is simply a cloak to cover sin.

 

[from scratch]

The wages of sin is death. Lawlessness is sin, so breaking God's law is sin.
Your theology would not hold up in a human court of law, much less in God's day of judgment. Your so called freedom is simply a cloak to cover sin.

Hi brightcandle. Long time no see.

Indeed lawlessness is sin. Where do you get the idea I'm lawless? From refusal to submit to a superceded covenant? A superceded law can't be violated. I'm under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which has made me free from the law of sin and death - also known as the law and called the ministration of death. I'm also led by the Spirit and not by the law. I have no need of a tutor any longer as I'm a Christian.

 

[visionary]

Bless you. I certainly need to be condemned by something and the law no longer does that to me. Now do I fit in your camp of the condemned?

If you feel condemnation.. when it is between you and the Lord.. you will have to work it out with the Lord..

 

[sheina]

If you feel condemnation.. when it is between you and the Lord.. you will have to work it out with the Lord..

I don't believe that bro scratch means that God is condemning him (Romans 8:1)

 

[visionary]

I don't believe that it is God who is condemning bro scratch. (Romans 8:1) Therefore the condemnation is coming from man, not God.

Only scratch is feeling it.... so therefore it is a matter between him and God.

 

[Elder 111]

No the Spirit isn't in opposition to the law. That is the law doesn't make one sin in and of itself. Dwelling on thou shalt not lie, steal, covet, etc. does though. It is the way the carnal mind works and we simply can't help ourselves. so the law really doesn't lead to sin in itself that is telling one to sin.

The Spirit (God) won't lead one to sin either. But is certianly doesn't lead one back to what they were delivered from. Being the God the Father and God the Holy Spirit are both God, it doesn't make sense to deliver one and then command or lead them back to what they're delivered from.

I've quoted Isa 28:10 to show this many times - For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:


There is not a more open statement to be found showing the process God is using. The same thing shows up in Paul's material - using one thing (the familiar) to build on showing a greater truth. Indeed Paul said something about secrets in Roman 11:25 - For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

And I like this one too 16:25 - Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began

There are more in his writings. And Peter calls or equates them as Scripture - II Pet 3:16.

This makes no sense to me.

 

[Elder 111]

I direct you to I Tim 1:9-10. Of course it is ony effective for the Christian because the tutor led them to Chirist where they got this righteosuness from as a very expensive gift which can't be earned or bought.

So. How does that negate the Holy Law.

 

[from scratch]

I don't believe that bro scratch means that God is condemning him (Romans 8:1)

That would be very correct.

 

[from scratch]

So. How does that negate the Holy Law.

So who is negating the Holy Law?

 

[from scratch]

This makes no sense to me.

I'm not the least bit suprised. And you have my regrets. Now if you wish to state what your problem is I might be of assistance.

 

[sheina]

So. How does that negate the Holy Law.

The righteous (those who trust in Christ and His finished work on the cross) do not negate THE law...THE law is fulfilled in them.

THE law is negated when a person, who believes that he must keep THE law in order to perfect his salvation does not keep it COMPLETELY and PERFECTLY according to James 2:10

 

[from scratch]

Only scratch is feeling it.... so therefore it is a matter between him and God.

Nope scratch doesn't go by feelings on anything. It always get him in trouble. Yep I gotta admit I'm emotional and my last emotional mistake cost me 10 G hard stuff. It also keeps me from being manipulated.

 

[TruthWave7]

Hi brightcandle. Long time no see.

Indeed lawlessness is sin. Where do you get the idea I'm lawless? From refusal to submit to a superceded covenant? A superceded law can't be violated. I'm under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus which has made me free from the law of sin and death - also known as the law and called the ministration of death. I'm also led by the Spirit and not by the law. I have no need of a tutor any longer as I'm a Christian.

Thanks for the warm welcome. One of the most important jobs that the Holy Spirit has is to convict men and women of sin. Do you claim to live in a state of perfection, and never commit sin?

The Bible defines sin as lawlessness. 1 John 3: 4-9 "Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness. 5 You know that he appeared to take away sins, and in him there is no sin. 6 No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him. 7 Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous. 8Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil. 9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’sb seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God."