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Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments? (4)

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It is not significant because although Moses was a conduit for the law to the people if Isreal Jesus is our righteousness and only way to get to the Father having fulfilled and completed all that was necessary on our behalf. It may have been written on tablets made of stone and sapphire but Grace and Truth came through Jesus Christ the redeemer of Mankind.

MamaZ, what you're saying true, and has always been true. I don't see why you're disagreeing unless you believe that the Isrealites were saved in some other way besides the grace of God through faith.

And you do realize that the sapphire represents the throne of God. You may want to study that subject a bit more closely before casting it to the side as irrelevant.

Do you think that God didn't love Israel of old as much as He does His children today after the sacrifice of Christ? Like did God go from Tyrant to Teddy Bear or something because that's what it seems like you're teaching.
 
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IF Jesus redeems a man there is nothing that can be added to His redemption nor taken away from His redemption. For redemption does not come from the law. It comes From God through Christ at the cross and the Spirit within as our gaurantee.

Redemption is a process. Why do you think there will be people that God will say "I never knew thee" to?
 
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IF Jesus redeems a man there is nothing that can be added to His redemption nor taken away from His redemption. For redemption does not come from the law. It comes From God through Christ at the cross and the Spirit within as our gaurantee.



Redemtion doesn't come from Gods law. But holiness and love does. Jesus commanded that we love one another even as He loves us. Thats a law not for righteousness but Love. Abstaining from fornication is not redemtion but its holy and Gods will. So it can be said that love and holiness which is the will of God comes from the law, the Holy Spirit teaches us to obey that law from the heart which means not obeying for self righteousness but because its the will of God
 
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Redemtion doesn't come from Gods law. But holiness and love does. Jesus commanded that we love one another even as He loves us. Thats a law not for righteousness but Love. Abstaining from fornication is not redemtion but its holy and Gods will. So it can be said that love and holiness which is the will of God comes from the law, the Holy Spirit teaches us to obey that law from the heart which means not obeying for righteousness but because its the will of God
The process of redemption is laid out in the Law of Moses
 
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where else are you going to find out about the sacrifices for sin?

I see your point, i agree.

This is an interesting verse, Jesus seems to imply that fornication can be committed inside of marriage. Wouldn't that be adultery?


Mt 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
 
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I see your point, i agree.

This is an interesting verse, Jesus seems to imply that fornication can be committed inside of marriage. Wouldn't that be adultery?


Mt 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
Here ya go....definition of FORNICATION:

The incontinence or lewdness of unmarried persons, male or female; also, the criminal conversation of a married man with an unmarried woman; adultery; incest; a forsaking of the true God and worshiping of idols (Webster). The Bible uses this term as a general description for immorality (Matthew 5:32; 15:19; 19:9; Acts 15:20,29; 21:15; Romans1:29; 1 Corinthians 5:1; 6:18; 7:2; 2 Corinthians 12:21; Galatians 5:19; Ephesians 5:3; Colossians 3:5; 1Thessalonians 4:3; Revelation 9:21). Like adultery, fornication is also used in a spiritual sense to describe turning from God to serve false gods (Ezekiel 16:29-34; Revelation 2:21; 14:8; 17:2,4; 18:3; 19:2). The Greek word translated fornication is porneia, from which the English word "pornographic" is derived. (Way of Life Encyclopedia of the Bible: FORNICATION)
 
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Mt 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mt 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mt 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mt 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets

1Co 7:10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:

Eph 6:2 Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise.
 
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Isa 66:1 Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word
 
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Mt 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mt 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mt 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mt 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets

1Co 7:10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:

Eph 6:2 Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise.
Very nice Scripture quotes. What is your point? I'm guessing that you still are demanding obligation to the law. At least that is what it looks like to me. I also guess that you demand that we say we follow the law or aren't Christians.

The Mat 22 reference isn't a command to do anything and the Eph reference is to children and not Christians. Thus it doesn't fit in making the law an obligation to Christians.

Now it might be a confession that you love the Lord with all your heart. I also have that confession. I'm not a legalist. There are many thing called sin in the instutionalized church that simply aren't. They take away the liberty we have in Christ Jesus for manipulative causes that include greed (known as lasciviousness - Eph 4:19, Jude 4) and destroy our witness and ability to reach the lost. Most church people's idea of Christianity doesn't come from the Bible. They have let the world define and confine them to an unatainable behavior for the most part. This fits the statement found in Romans 2:24. Yes many have no understanding of the effects their behavior cause.

I no where condemn anyone for their idea of holding to the law or part of the law. The law is a single undivisible unit as I've shown with and by Scripture in several posts. I simply destest religion with all my heart. It is the worst thing to ever happen to mankind. Yes I certianly understand that is a word we use to catogorize and talk about a relationship with God.

I do have a very stiff problem with those requiring and demanding I become them to get along. I'm simply not a mindless sheeple. If I can't examine what is put before me and make a free will choice, it simply won't be considered. If some one defending an opposing position is a problem, you're in the wrong place. We are both here by choice.

Look if you want bondage, more power to you. This has passed the personal testimony stage long ago. So if you want the law, please suit yourself but don't demand that I follow the law. You have no such right or authority from the Bible. Acts 15 is a great back up for this statement. Those demanding the law be followed were called subverters (those subverting souls). To subvert is to destroy. Look it up. I have chosen grace. Here is why I have chosen grace - Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

I'm not justified by the law. I'm justified by Jesus Christ my Redeemer through the grace of God. To reject this is to make void what Jesus did for me.

I've covered being justified more than once. If one obeys a law for any reason they are justified by that law. If they violate that law they can't be justified unless the proper fine/scarifice/procedure is accomplished.

One simply can't have both as Gal 5:4 states. So a demand to follow the law to be saved or maintain that stated of redemption voids grace and one can't have it, thus no salvation. If this bothers you, I suggest you have a little chat with Jesus as the song goes.

Gal 3:1O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

2This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

The flesh here is a reference to perfomance of the law or the law itself. Paul relates the law to the flesh in more than one place.
 
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Very nice Scripture quotes. What is your point? I'm guessing that you still are demanding obligation to the law. At least that is what it looks like to me. I also guess that you demand that we say we follow the law or aren't Christians.



I only posted scripture. The rest is between you and the Lord.
 
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Redemtion doesn't come from Gods law. But holiness and love does. Jesus commanded that we love one another even as He loves us. Thats a law not for righteousness but Love. Abstaining from fornication is not redemtion but its holy and Gods will. So it can be said that love and holiness which is the will of God comes from the law, the Holy Spirit teaches us to obey that law from the heart which means not obeying for self righteousness but because its the will of God
Nope it simply can't. The phrase the law strctly refers to the OT. It can't be added to. Jesus didn't add to the law. Remember He came to fulfil the law. This excludes any claim to magnify or change the law in any way.

Please quote the OT passage that states the law is love or that love is a manifestation of the law.
 
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The reason why man needs redemption is because he is a law-breaker. Take away the law and you take away the need for a Redeemer. Take away the law and you, in reality, make light the sacrifice of Christ.
The sacrifice of Jesus Christ effectively removes the law and its requirements.

Notice the order I have the events. If they were stated in the reverse order the above claim would be true.
 
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If the spirit which is leading you, does not lead you deeper into the Word [all of it] for meaning, direction, guidance, lifestyle, and understanding God in all manners of situations.. what does that say about the spirit that is leading you?

IF the spirit that is leading you, leads you to believe that the Father and Son are teaching two different things, leads you to believe that there is a difference between before and after in God's intentions, or that parts of scripture the spirit argues against...does that tell you something about the spirit that is leading you?
What are you trying to say? I don't underestand the bush beating.
 
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