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Paul tells us many things. Do you pray without ceasing? Do you put of the flesh and walk in the Spirit? Do you go to the elders when you are ill? Do you drink a little wine for your stomaches sake? If one walks in the Spirit they will nullify the deeds of the flesh. This has been repeatedly stated. Fornication is a selfish act. One to satisfy the desires of the flesh. Do you walk in the newness of Life as Paul states? Are you a bondslave to Christ? Or are you a bondslave to the law?
And where is this?The ten commandments are seen in the book of Revelation. Someone may want to check into that and see what the significance is there
So I guess it isn't following the law that counts in the end.
Paul tells us many things. Do you pray without ceasing? Do you put of the flesh and walk in the Spirit? Do you go to the elders when you are ill? Do you drink a little wine for your stomaches sake? If one walks in the Spirit they will nullify the deeds of the flesh. This has been repeatedly stated. Fornication is a selfish act. One to satisfy the desires of the flesh. Do you walk in the newness of Life as Paul states? Are you a bondslave to Christ? Or are you a bondslave to the law?
In agreementWell said.
If one violates the law are they still a doer of the law? Nope. Then how can they be justified by the law? They can't as is noted by confession in prior posts. But we need righteousness to see God. So is that righteousness of or from the law? Nope. If it isn't from the law how can obedience to the law maintain it? Gal 3:1-3. It can't and thus there is no value in the law after conversion or the salvation event in one's life. How does this occur? Acts 16:31, Romans 10:9-10. The law has nothing to do with becoming redeemed other than showing the need.Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
You're right we are all guilty of breaking the whole law and thats why our faith is in Christ alone. But commandments are Gods will and He is our judge. Do i have faith? Yes so i like Abraham listen but at the same time depend on Christ. When im weak He is strong. Thats faith. Who has no sin even after Christ saves them? No one is sinless, our sin remains but will be blotted out. God is our Judge, He knows our heart. What can we hide from Him? He knows our sin better than we do. Let God be true and every man a liar.
If one violates the law are they still a doer of the law? Nope. Then how can they be justified by the law? They can't as is noted by confession in prior posts. But we need righteousness to see God. So is that righteousness of or from the law? Nope. If it isn't from the law how can obedience to the law maintain it? Gal 3:1-3. It can't and thus there is no value in the law after conversion or the salvation event in one's life. How does this occur? Acts 16:31, Romans 10:9-10. The law has nothing to do with becoming redeemed other than showing the need.
1Th 4:3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:
Mr 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.
Mark 15:38 The Temple Curtain is torn open. Is it the will of God that you go in
or is it left up to you?
What then do you make of Paul's testimony in Rom 7"8-25?Yes I understand what you're trying to do. What value dod Paul place on that righteousness obtained by the law? And what does Jesus say about righteousness obtained the same way? 20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. Please consult Romans 7:8-25.What then is thise self abtained righteousness that you said we need to stand before God with in version 3? Doesn't it come from the law? There are only 2 kinds of righteousness that I know of. One I just mentioned and the other is an outright gift coming only from God.
And this was written after the distruction of Jerusalem and the Temple. So where is the ark of the covenant that was on the earth? Is it still here or did it get transported to heaven?Revelation 11:19
What is the purpose then of being obedient to a superceded covenant that has no jurisdiction? Now I also ask what do spirituall minded people do? Do they do the works of the law in the flesh. For what? To satisfy a social demand? It avails nothing. It proves nothing. If you were to meet eiither of my neighbors in public except on Saturday - one having no use for religious connection and the other a devout SDA - you wouldn't know the difference between the two. They both act the same on the outside.The main teaching of Paul in his epistles is that he is against those who seek righteousness through obedience to the law (self righteousness), for he knew that without Christ, carnally minded people could do nothing good to satisfy the law demands, they all come under condemnation.
Not with out proof texts can such a thing be established. That means ignoring other Scriptures to the contrary. Those teaching and influencing the Gentiles to do so were not under the authority of the Apostles as they claimed. The Apostles said they didn't have the authority to do such. Further more they were called destroyers (the meaning of subverting). They then were given no such command to keep the law of Moses. Paul openly taught that one doesn't need to submit to that law as argued in Romans, Galatians, Ephesians, Colossians, Philippians and Timothy.Many converted Gentiles were influenced by converted Jews that Christians must still keep the ceremonial law, feast days, circumcision, etc. They still can not accept righteousness by faith. This what Paul try to rebuke, which brought so many misunderstanding and misinterpretation. Never was in his mind that the Ten Cs is a law no longer obligatory for Christian, he still believe he is under the jurisdiction of the law, which I have presented here in various post and thread. Grace is not a license to sin, faith doesn't nullify the law, and the doers of the law will be justified. There are enough evidence about this.
Propose it yet again and I shall take a crack at it.Taking it differently is making contradiction, and when I propose this seemingly contradiction, no one of those who are against the Ten Cs could present a defense and clarifying those text to make it comes in harmony.
Teehehee haw teehehee.Only those who believe they are under the jurisdiction of the law could read and present Paul teaching correctly.
What is fornication? I think it is sin. Maybe I don't think right. But I have both asked and stated that the Holy Spirit won't led one to sin and doesn't lead one to the law either. Galatians 5 is totally ignored and dismissed. Incidence isn't obedience. Love does no evil (wrong). One can't love and fornicate at the same time. If one is led of the Spirit they don't perform the lust of the flesh. Lust of the flesh is the natural state of man and has nothing to do with the law. The Christian isn't a natural state of man. That is why we have the war Paul talks about in Romans 7.Yea its only Gods will that we abstain from fornication, that doesn't count at all in the end. Only doers will be saved not hearers of the NC doctrine, but that doesn't count in the end either. Jesus says strait and narrow is the way and few find it and not everyone who calls Him lord lord will enter heaven, but none of this matters in the end.
Abstaining from fornication won't result in admission to heaven or grant eternal life.Mr 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.
1Th 4:3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:
Does abstaining from fornication count in the end?
Abstaining from fornication won't result in admission to heaven or grant eternal life.
And what exactly is that will?1Th 4:3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:
Mr 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.
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