Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments? (4)

[11822]

The entire context of the 14th chapter of Romans deals with judging a weaker brother.

This rule has a universal application: In all cases, if a man does a thing which he does not believe to be right, it is a sin, and his conscience will condemn him for it. However, the opposite of this is not always true, that if a man believes a thing to be right, that therefore it is not sin.

Romans 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

The opposite isn't always true, i agree.


The word throughout the NT tells us faith doens't give liberty to break any of the 10 Cs except maybe sabbath (according to Romans 14) The rest are taught in NC teaching.

 

[11822]

How is that? Please explain.

You keep saying im posting commandments that don't belong in the NC but they come from Jesus and the apostles and are NC doctrine.

 

[sheina]

Whats your point? Faith without works is not true faith. Only those that keep Gods commandments belong to Jesus. The rest are wannabe's according to Christs doctrine.

My point is this: Good works, obedience to the law, etc. will NOT qualify a person for heaven. James is not talking about salvation, he is talking about Christian living...living in the Spirit and allowing the Holy Spirit to produce the "fruit of your faith".

What do you mean by "wannabe's according to Christ's doctrine"?

 

[11822]

My point is this: Good works, obedience to the law, etc. will NOT qualify a person for heaven. James is not talking about salvation, he is talking about Christian living...living in the Spirit and allowing the Holy Spirit to produce the "fruit of your faith".

What do you mean by "wannabe's according to Christ's doctrine"?

And i never said it did. I just said faith without works is not faith because its dead. Only when we have works is that faith alive. And works are more than just charity. Works are everything we do. Our faith is known by our works.

 

[11822]

My point is this: Good works, obedience to the law, etc. will NOT qualify a person for heaven. James is not talking about salvation, he is talking about Christian living...living in the Spirit and allowing the Holy Spirit to produce the "fruit of your faith".

What do you mean by "wannabe's according to Christ's doctrine"?

Wannabes are those that wanna be saved but are not. They are the ones who don't enter in through the strait and narrow. They are the poor unfortunate souls that Christ rejects by telling them to depart from Him.

 

[11822]

We are not judged yet. Our sins are not blotted out yet. One day God will judge every man according to their works.

 

[sheina]

We are not judged yet. Are sins are not blotted out yet. One day God will judge every man according to their works.

IOW, you don't believe that the blood that Christ shed on the cross of Calvary was sufficient to BLOT out our sins NOW? When do you think this will happen?

At the Bema Seat of Christ, the believer's WORKS (the fruit of their faith, as James says) will be tried NOT their sins. ALL sin was judged at the cross. The sin debt has been paid for IN FULL by the shed blood of Christ on the cross, ONCE FOR ALL.

1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

The "once-for-all" sacrifice of Christ was sufficient to BLOT out and and WASH away ALL sin for ALL men for ALL time.

Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Hebrews 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Hebrews 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Hebrews 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

 

[11822]

IOW, you don't believe that the blood that Christ shed on the cross of Calvary was sufficient to BLOT out our sins NOW? When do you think this will happen?




Im saying every man will be judged according to His works one day by God. Even us. And we must pray for forgiveness each time we sin and only if we forgive others will we be forgiven ourselves.

 

[Elder 111]

We do not love the Lord our God by outside rules and regulations.

Why are you calling the ten commandments out side rule and regulations?

We do not love the Lord because we are told to. In fact all who are not born again are at war with God even though they try to live according to the 10.

Do you take it that all who support the ten are not born again?

For there is only one way to the Father and it is not the law. It is Christ Jesus our King. We love Him because He first loved us and has Set His Spirit within us.

Does His Spirit says to lie or steal? You will tell me that a christian should not do those things, so my question is. Why then is there a problem when christian say that you should keep ten commandment that says dot not steal? What is the difference? To say thou shall not steal is against Christ but a Christian should not steal. That is what many in reality has been saying, and it is ridiculous.

This is why we do not walk according to the rules written in stone but By His Spirit. For the Love of God has been shed abroad in our hearts by His Spirit. It is not a human attempt to love God nor our neighbor.

To keep the commandments is a human attempt to love God? So why did God give it in the first place? Why would not Joseph Sleep with Potiphar"s wife?

It is a supernatural love born from the Spirit of God. Love does not act in way displeasing to the Father.

Is keeping the ten commandments displeasing to God? Why?

 

[sheina]

Im saying every man will be judged according to His works one day by God. Even us. And we must pray for forgiveness each time we sin and only if we forgive others will we be forgiven ourselves.

The Bible doesn't tell us to pray for forgiveness of our sins. The Bible clearly tells us if we CONFESS our sins, not PRAY for the forgiveness of them, He will forgive us and cleanse us for all unrigteousness. (1 John 1:9)

 

[11822]

The "once-for-all" sacrifice of Christ was sufficient to BLOT out and and WASH away ALL sin for ALL men for ALL time.

Yes but it doesn't mean we only need to ask forgiveness one time. And if we don't forgive others our faith is worthless and will save nothing. Is forgiveness not a work that we will be judged by?

 

[Elder 111]

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[11822]

The Bible doesn't tell us to pray for forgiveness for our sins. The Bible clearly tells us if we CONFESS our sins, not PRAY for the forgiveness of them, He will forgive us and cleanse us for all unrigteousness. (1 John 1:9)

Thats what i meant. Before we ask forgiveness we must confess it to God.

 

[11822]

The works of the flesh are contrary to the fruit of the Spirit. If we bear that fruit we bear all manner of good works. Abstaining from fornication in my opinion is a good work.

 

[Elder 111]

What does James say? He says if you violate one aspect of the law you violate all the law. What is the difference? Violation of the law requires death. Stealling get the same penalty as adultery or murder. We classify sin - God doesn't.

To the last question - if you're obligated to the law, YES!

James referred to the ten, you have implied and stated that he includes all, but that is not in the text.
So the fact that God wrote the ten Himself makes no difference?

 

[Stryder06]

And this was written after the distruction of Jerusalem and the Temple. So where is the are of the covenant that was on the earth? Is it still here or did it get transported to heaven?

I'm not sure where the ask that was on earth is. What I do know is that the ark on earth was patterned after the ark that was in heaven. So if the ark on earth had the ten commandments in it, what does that mean about the ark in heaven?

 

[11822]

I'm not sure where the ask that was on earth is. What I do know is that the ark on earth was patterned after the ark that was in heaven. So if the ark on earth had the ten commandments in it, what does that mean about the ark in heaven?

Dont forget about Re 12:17


And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

 

[Stryder06]

Dont forget about Re 12:17


And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Yes sir. Chapter 22 verse 14, I believe, of the same book tells us that those who enter into the city are the ones who keep the commandments of God.

 

[Deut 5:29]

The Bible doesn't tell us to pray for forgiveness of our sins. The Bible clearly tells us if we CONFESS our sins, not PRAY for the forgiveness of them, He will forgive us and cleanse us for all unrigteousness. (1 John 1:9)

Lk. 11:4.

 

[11822]

Yes sir. Chapter 22 verse 14, I believe, of the same book tells us that those who enter into the city are the ones who keep the commandments of God.

Gods commandments it says. Seems pretty clear to me that it means the ones Jesus and Paul both teach that come from the 10Cs and the 2 greatest commandments. If we learn those few commandments anything else falls into place by itself.