Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments? (4)

[MamaZ]

And when I asked them what LOVE is, they come back again citing the Ten cs, for there is no other law in the whole Scripture that describe what law is. How can they citing a law to means what love is when they believe this law already nailed to the cross of Christ more then 2,000 years ago? What you call these kind of people?

allow scripture to tell you what love is. I don't see in scripture where love is obedience to the law.

 

[MamaZ]

FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE THEY ARE NOT UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF THE TEN COMMANDMENT.

Made up your mind!

Is the law nailed to the cross more then 2,000 years ago,

or

just nailed when faith came?

Today, maybe next month, maybe end of time because there would be many unbelievers till that day.

Picking up both to justify your believe that it is both ways, is a mixed and confused believe.

The law was nailed to the cross when Christ was. But one must be in Christ. We see that those who do not have the Spirit of Christ are none of His. So therefore they will be judged by their works. And we all know that works will not save a man.

 

[Elder 111]

allow scripture to tell you what love is. I don't see in scripture where love is obedience to the law.

15If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
19Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
20At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
21He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Keeping the commandments and having the Spirit seems pretty close.

 

[Elder 111]

The law was nailed to the cross when Christ was. But one must be in Christ. We see that those who do not have the Spirit of Christ are none of His. So therefore they will be judged by their works. And we all know that works will not save a man.

In Rev. 2-3 the church are Judge by their works. Does that mean they did not have Christ? That can not be the case for in chapter 1 He is seen walking among them.

 

[from scratch]

But do have any idea what that means?
"Walking in the Spirit", God's Spirit that is,
is walking the way Jesus walked in that same Spirit, and He walked accorrding to God's Laws, which is not doing the "works of the flesh".
This is too easy.

Listen to the bidding Jesus. He says it is easy.

Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

29Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

I have no clue what anyone wouldn't like - no love that. Salvation isn't earned but accepted as the free gift that it is!!!

The comment that it is to easy is all that I need to prove that you think salvation is earned. We have the wages of sin is death and the salvation is a free gift - Rom 6:23.

Jesus offers thei gift with out obligation, please take Him up on it. There is libety in Christ Jesus.

 

[from scratch]

What superceded the law?

Is there anything in this world that can superceded a law that is a transcription of the love of God? You mortal man are really clever if you can invent any.

No there isn't any thing thathat can supercede the love of God. God is free to supercede anything He does and no one you can stop HIm. One can refuse a free gift though.

I really wish you would take an honest look at Jer 31:31-34 for starters. I think that one should also consider Hebrews 8 very closely.

It also woulld be beneficial to consider Mat 26:28,MK 14:24,and LK 22:20.

 

[from scratch]

Its a commandment that's why i "harp" on it. It proves that law exists but you don't wan't to admit that so you're claiming its not relevant. Its totally relevant because it directly relates to abstaining from adultery which is a commandment.

Where does te NT record a command thou shalt not commit fornacation? I certianly admit that fornication is a sexual sin against both God and the body. It however isn't included in adultery because Paul list both as acts of the flesh which those who are led by the Spirit don't do and not because it is a command.

 

[from scratch]

And when I asked them what LOVE is, they come back again citing the Ten cs, for there is no other law in the whole Scripture that describe what law is. How can they citing a law to means what love is when they believe this law already nailed to the cross of Christ more then 2,000 years ago? What you call these kind of people?

Please quote the post this occurs in. God's expression of love occurs at and on the cross, not in the law.

Your question is probably a carefully loaded one that requires avoiding the truth.

They believe and insist that the law was nailed to the cross more then 2,000 years ago, but they too accept and believe that this law is a school master to bring them to Christ for justification by faith, and just when faith come, they are no longer under a tutor.

And doesn't Paul also say something about not needing the scholmaster any longer. Just read both verses and not your proof text. Only a child need to be led about by the hand and shown how to use the facilities.

But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. Galatians 3:22-25.

Well I'll be you not only quoted it, but also emphasized it. Now if you would just put it into practice.

So, how can they believe that a law was nailed to the cross 2,000 years ago, in the same time believing that the same law was a schoolmaster to bring unbeliever to Christ, and just when they announce their faith in Christ, this day the law ended for them. So, when their brother or mother is an unbeliever till today, the same will be the law existence for them till today, till faith come from them.

That is exactly what I Tim 1:9-10 says.

What a mix and confuse believe.[/quote]That isn't mixed at all.

 

[from scratch]

FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE THEY ARE NOT UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF THE TEN COMMANDMENT.

Made up your mind!

Is the law nailed to the cross more then 2,000 years ago,

or

just nailed when faith came?

Today, maybe next month, maybe end of time because there would be many unbelievers till that day.

Picking up both to justify your believe that it is both ways, is a mixed and confused believe.

I Tim 1:9-10. And for the believer only was the law nailed to the cross. Only the beleiver has accessed the grace and gift of God. The believer has passed from death to life - Jn 5:24. This shows that the believer won't appear at the white throne judgement for condemnation and punishment of being banned from the presence of God.

 

[from scratch]

The NT has law. Its not new and Christ took it from the OT. Not the whole OT but some of it. You can post all the out of context scripture you want about the OT law not being Christian law but it doesn't change the fact that Christs law came from the OT.

Yes it does and you're trying to use it to prove we're obligated to the law which isn't a NT law or obligation. The law we're obligated in the NT is the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

 

[from scratch]

What's the question?

The question is... have you trusted Jesus Christ for Salvation?

If yes, then quit looking to the Law. Look upon Christ and live.

If you look to the Law for Salvation you will die, for in choosing to walk in the Law, one has to reject the Spirit that freed us from the Law.

Life is not found in the Law. Paul said when the Law came, sin revived and he died. Life is only found in Christ. If we look to Him for life, walking in His Spirit of perfect peace and liberty, we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. And if we are not fulfilling the lusts of the flesh, we have no need to be in bondage to the Law.

 

[from scratch]

Your apparent obsession with adultery, fornication and lust doesn't fit. At least 85% of your posts are speaking of those things.

The Word of God tells us that our minds will be at perfect peace because we trust in God. How can one have ones mind on God when all one talks about is fornication, adultery and lust?

Great question.

 

[from scratch]

Actually i asked you the question in the other thread concerning galatians and circumcision.

Im adding nothing. The apostles and Jesus teach the same thing and thats the law im talking about. Are you telling me Gods commandment to abstain from adultery isn't Gods will?

Neither are we saying that sin is God will.

 

[from scratch]

The obsession is in the assumption that abstaining from adultery is obsolete OT law. It doesn't fit.

85%? Thats because 100 percent of morality law is based on fornication and because you say there is no law and i say there is. Abstaining from fornication proves it. Thats why you are trying to label me an obsessed extremist which is absurd. The thread is about the law therefor the law is what we get. Abstaining from fornication is a law. Label me if you like, it doesn't change the truth.

One is condemned by the law. You identify yourself and there is no need to label you as you wave that label from the roof top and yell about it. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:9Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

You clearly boast.

 

[from scratch]

The commandments are taught in the NT.

Where is this?

 

[from scratch]

The question was answered and you rejected the answer. You best get a better pair of glasses.
Here's my response:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7562837-7/#post57598731

And here is your rejection of my answer.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7562837-7/#post57598785

OK...listen up sir. Your "groove" is in the law. My "groove" is in Christ. You keep teaching about the NT law, and I will continue to "walk in the Spirit" and praise the Lord that He has freed me from the bondage of sin. I don't continue in a lifestyle of sin...why? Because Christ has set me free. (Romans 8:1-5) The born again Christian doesn't need to be continually reminded about what sin and the works of the flesh are. As long as the he continues to "walk in the Spirit" those "sins and works of the flesh" will not be manifest.

Very nice testimony, sister.

Why do you continually dwell on sin, the works of the flesh (there are 17 listed in Galatians 5:19-21) and how Jesus, Paul, and the other apostles teach 6 of the OT commandments in the NT? Do you realize there is a "way out" of this bondage? His Name is Jesus Christ. Dwell on Him instead of reminding everyone about their sin. I think everyone is getting tired of reading about their sin...so why not post some solutions to this "sin problem" . Listing commandments isn't going to cause people to stop sinning. Only Christ can do that. He sets the captives free.

The position he takes allows for manipulation, control and bondage. It gives a sense of power.

 

[Deut 5:29]

And this is the will of my Father, that you believe in the one that He sent. Nothing about obeying laws.

God's will is expressed in His law from Gen. to Rev.

 

[Deut 5:29]

allow scripture to tell you what love is. I don't see in scripture where love is obedience to the law.

All of God's Law is an expression of love.

 

[from scratch]

Trying to justify a mixed and confuse idea?

The INTENDED PURPOSE of the OT law has been established through our FAITH in Christ Jesus? The OT law was nailed to the cross of Chrst 2000 years ago, but only when a person comes to FAITH in Christ is the OT law is established FOR ITS INTENDED PURPOSE?

There is no more intended purpose of the law once it is cancelled at the cross. The law is cancelled, nullified, abolished, period, 2000 years ago according to you, so will it be with all purpose, intention, function whatsoever.

You are fooling yourself.

I guess we'll have to let death or the rapture to settle the question about salvation at the white throne judgment which the Christian won't appear. We have already passed. If not we'll see you at the white throne judgment and recieve a sentence of death with you.

 

[from scratch]

No wonder how mixed and confused their idea and is;

The law of sin and death which according to Paul is the carnal mind, is interpret as the ten Cs.
:o :o

I have found so many errors and contradiction in their believe and have clarified it, but ignorance will lead they further away from the truth.

But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

The law of sin and death isn't the carnal mind.