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I do, because Christianity is God's way to save humanity and allow us to have access to a relationship,with him. If we suddenly forgot about all this God would reach out to us again.
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Yes, I thought I saw them too. Again, why is it paranoia in my case and not in yours?No, I actually saw them. They actually entered my brother's room. We actually brought in a minister and we actually did an exorcism. The thing is, I never saw anything I didn't believe existed, and I never denied the existence of anything I've seen. That's why I asked about your mental state. I'm not the one who claims all such sightings are hallucinations.
See my previous question.I have not "produced" the "evidence." It is the word of God, the Bible.
What of those who feel something else drawing on them and leading them to theological commitments that differ to yours?The evidence is our personal relationship we have with our Lord and Saviour. The evidence we have is the Holy Spirit within us. We felt the draw of the Father and believed. We also,have faith. Faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen. We heard the message and felt the draw and we believed. We did not see God with our eyes, but we felt God in our hearts. We did not touch God with our hands but he touched our hearts. We see his glory and majesty and might in the world around us.
Then you are different in some way because I can't manufacture a sincere belief at will. I can't "choose to believe" in the way you describe, neither in the unicorn nor in anything else. By the way, I don't recall specifying that the unicorn was pink, though it's interesting that you should say that... Hmmm...Your pink unicorn analogy is goofy because even you don't believe in the pink unicorn. If you told me there was a pink,unicorn in my yard and really believed it I would then have to make a choice whether or not I believed in the pink unicorn also. So I CAN choose to believe without any physical evidence. I probably won't, but that doesn't mean I can't.
What does it take for a person to believe something for no reason other than they want to believe? religious people say they have faith and hope, that alone smacks of desperation, they have been told they are sick and that their belief in the imagined saviour is the cure for their sickness, if they could snap out of their delusion they would see they are not sick and there is no saviour.
Is there any possibility in your mind that you could have simply imagined all of that?The evidence is our personal relationship we have with our Lord and Saviour. The evidence we have is the Holy Spirit within us. We felt the draw of the Father and believed. We also,have faith. Faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen. We heard the message and felt the draw and we believed. We did not see God with our eyes, but we felt God in our hearts. We did not touch God with our hands but he touched our hearts. We see his glory and majesty and might in the world around us.
I said no such thing, people are told that God is the cure for all their ills and if they believe in him they will be better, you call it mocking I call it saying it like it is.Calling Christianity a "delusion" and suggesting that the Christian faith is a "sickness" is a violation of forum rules. You are not permitted to mock the Christian faith on these forums.
When Christians tell us that we are sinners in need of help we are expected to just suck it up, when we tell you that you are wrong and why you are wrong you call foul and say we are mocking you and it's a violation of forum rules. Do you see anything wrong with that way of thinking?Also, are you here to try to convince Christians to see the error of their ways and turn from their faith? (As your words "if they could "snap out of it" suggest). If so, this is a violation of forum rules as well.
I said no such thing,
people are told that God is the cure for all their ills and if they believe in him they will be better, you call it mocking I call it saying it like it is.
When Christians tell us that we are sinners in need of help we are expected to just suck it up, when we tell you that you are wrong and why you are wrong you call foul and say we are mocking you and it's a violation of forum rules. Do you see anything wrong with that way of thinking?
I am here because I do not understand why people would believe something for what I see as no reason at all, you might say I don't understand because I am not a believer, but how is anyone going to be a believer if they don't understand what it is they are supposed to understand? that must be the reason religions always target children, they don't question they just believe.I see a problem with you being here if that is all you want to do. No one made you sign up here. If you don't want to continue hearing from Christians, why are you on ChristianForums.com? There are plenty of other places online for you to disparage the Christian faith.
I am here because I do not understand why people would believe something for what I see as no reason at all, you might say I don't understand because I am not a believer, but how is anyone going to be a believer if they don't understand what it is they are supposed to understand?
Why are Christians so afraid to speak to people who do not believe as they do? can they be talked out of believing? I am sure they can because why else would Christians be permanently on the defensive?
You have completely missed the point of the parental softening of harsh realities for their children. That is what children's stories are, and what God has been doing in the world. Unfortunately (for you), that means you are in for a rude awakening. Don't say we didn't try.It began because people wanted to believe just as people today want to believe, why else would anyone want to hold on to something that is only in their minds and not really there? people convince themselves it's true because they want it to be true.That's the very definition of a delusion, people talk themselves into believing something because it makes them feel good, it's like a drug, once the mind gets used to the drug the person is unable to do without it, religious people can not even imagine what it must be like to be without their religion, the very thought to most of them is unthinkable.
There will be no rude awakenings for anyone just nothing, the same nothing we had before we were born.You have completely missed the point of the parental softening of harsh realities for their children. That is what children's stories are, and what God has been doing in the world. Unfortunately (for you), that means you are in for a rude awakening. Don't say we didn't try.
There will be no rude awakenings for anyone just nothing, the same nothing we had before we were born.
But as you so rightly say childish things are for children, when children grow up they should put away childish things.
When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 1 Corinthians 13:11
They wouldn't... unless they were dumb enough to use the same name on FSTDT.I suppose that's true, but someone could cut 'n' paste from here and not put their names on the other site. How would they know which user did it?
Again, and I'll type this more slowly, you claim to have seen things which you are certain do not exist.Yes, I thought I saw them too. Again, why is it paranoia in my case and not in yours?
Just about every book ever written has something of value even if it's so bad it has nothing of value in it and is use as a lesson on how not to write a book.Interesting that you would quote the Bible here. Do you believe that it has anything of value to say? It is the same book that talks about the very things you completely reject as "childish" remember?
That's the silliest thing I've heard in a while. You know forever churches never catered to the kids. Church was for adults. It wasn't really until the mid to late 20th century that churches started having children specific ministries. And a lot of that came about from the parents who wanted the church to have something for the kids so they didn't have to sit in the main service. Most evangelistic efforts,are aimed,at adults.Because they in turn were been made to believe the fairy tales, all religions are self sustaining, why do you think religions make a bee line for children? because children are more likely to believe the stories and carry them through to adulthood, the only adults who are likely to believe are the damaged and the gullible.
Haven't you hear that it's harder for a rich,man to enter the kingdom of God than for a camel to go through the eye of a needle? Often people don't find God until they are in a position to need him. I'm sure God would rather have it otherwise but the truth is man is so full of pride that they don't want God until,they see a need for him.All you need do is look around the world, the poor, badly managed and illiterate countries are the most religious, that's where do you find the most damaged and gullible people in those countries, where are the most religious people to be found in the US? in the well educated states or the poor badly educated states?
If you only knew what it is you are saying.There will be no rude awakenings for anyone just nothing, the same nothing we had before we were born.
But as you so rightly say childish things are for children, when children grow up they should put away childish things.
When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 1 Corinthians 13:11
Mine is real. There's is false. You didn't really expect me to say anything different did you? Jesus is the truth The way and the life and no one comes to the Father except through him.Is there any possibility in your mind that you could have simply imagined all of that?
Do you believe Muslims when they say Allah talks to them and they know Allah is real? do you believe alien abductees when they tell you they were abducted by aliens? is their 'evidence' as good as yours?
Is there any possibility in your mind that the people above could have simply imagined all of that? if you do then please tell me the difference between your story and their story?
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