• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

Do you agree or disagree with this statement?

Do you agree or disagree?

  • Yes

    Votes: 9 42.9%
  • No

    Votes: 12 57.1%

  • Total voters
    21

amariselle

Jesus Never Fails
Sep 28, 2004
6,648
4,201
The Great Northern Wilderness
✟75,570.00
Country
United States
Gender
Female
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
CA-Conservatives
You're welcome to think what you like, but you have no explanation for the observable evidence of evolution by natural selection. There are vast tracts of evidence - whole fields of science - which evolution explains, but which your viewpoint does not.

Shaking your head at something is one thing, but proposing an alternative theory which explains all the evidence is something completely different, and many people will not take your views seriously until you attempt the latter.

The theory of evolution and natural selection is hardly conclusive. It doesn't even come close to explaining everything we can observe and study in this life.
 
Upvote 0

Oafman

Try telling that to these bog brained murphys
Dec 19, 2012
7,107
4,063
Malice
✟28,559.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
Politics
UK-Labour
The theory of evolution and natural selection is hardly conclusive. It doesn't even come close to explaining everything we can observe and study in this life.
In terms of the diversity of life it does. Very well.
 
  • Like
Reactions: tyke
Upvote 0

TLK Valentine

I've already read the books you want burned.
Apr 15, 2012
64,493
30,322
Behind the 8-ball, but ahead of the curve.
✟541,572.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Agnostic
Marital Status
Single
The theory of evolution and natural selection is hardly conclusive. It doesn't even come close to explaining everything we can observe and study in this life.

All that means is there's still work to be done.
 
Upvote 0

amariselle

Jesus Never Fails
Sep 28, 2004
6,648
4,201
The Great Northern Wilderness
✟75,570.00
Country
United States
Gender
Female
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
CA-Conservatives
In terms of the diversity of life it does. Very well.

I believe an intelligent Creator explains the complexity of life far better.
 
  • Like
Reactions: KWCrazy
Upvote 0

TLK Valentine

I've already read the books you want burned.
Apr 15, 2012
64,493
30,322
Behind the 8-ball, but ahead of the curve.
✟541,572.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Agnostic
Marital Status
Single
I believe an intelligent Creator explains the complexity of life far better.

We kind of figured...

And that's your opinion, and nobody's going to stop you from having it.
 
  • Like
Reactions: amariselle
Upvote 0

amariselle

Jesus Never Fails
Sep 28, 2004
6,648
4,201
The Great Northern Wilderness
✟75,570.00
Country
United States
Gender
Female
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
CA-Conservatives
All that means is there's still work to be done.

Sure, I can appreciate science and its exploration of what is truly observable. But it draws many many conclusions it cannot back up. Much of what is believed about science and its theories and speculations takes even more faith than believing in an intelligent Creator.
 
Upvote 0

Oafman

Try telling that to these bog brained murphys
Dec 19, 2012
7,107
4,063
Malice
✟28,559.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
Politics
UK-Labour
I believe an intelligent Creator explains the complexity of life far better.
Does an intelligent creator explain vestigial structures?

And I notice you did not describe the creator as benevolent. You must surely agree that there is very little in nature - red as it is in tooth and claw - that implies a kind and caring creator.
 
  • Like
Reactions: tyke
Upvote 0

TLK Valentine

I've already read the books you want burned.
Apr 15, 2012
64,493
30,322
Behind the 8-ball, but ahead of the curve.
✟541,572.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Agnostic
Marital Status
Single
Sure, I can appreciate science and its exploration of what is truly observable. But it draws many many conclusions it cannot back up. Much of what is believed about science and its theories and speculations takes even more faith than believing in an intelligent Creator.

I've heard this before, and even though I don't believe it, I'm intrigued as to how it turns "faith" into a liability.

Do you consider faith to be a liability?
 
Upvote 0

amariselle

Jesus Never Fails
Sep 28, 2004
6,648
4,201
The Great Northern Wilderness
✟75,570.00
Country
United States
Gender
Female
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
CA-Conservatives
Does an intelligent creator explain vestigial structures?

And I notice you did not describe the creator as benevolent. You must surely agree that there is very little in nature - red as it is in tooth and claw - that implies a kind and caring creator.

I would say that the harshness of nature is the result of the Fall. God's original creation was good, and the creation account indicates that all animals ate plants, not each other.
 
Upvote 0

amariselle

Jesus Never Fails
Sep 28, 2004
6,648
4,201
The Great Northern Wilderness
✟75,570.00
Country
United States
Gender
Female
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
CA-Conservatives
I've heard this before, and even though I don't believe it, I'm intrigued as to how it turns "faith" into a liability.

Do you consider faith to be a liability?

No, I am mentioning it only because many think that all of their beliefs are irrefutably backed up by scientific evidence, and that it is only creationists who depend on faith.
 
Upvote 0

Oafman

Try telling that to these bog brained murphys
Dec 19, 2012
7,107
4,063
Malice
✟28,559.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
Politics
UK-Labour
I would say that the harshness of nature is the result of the Fall. God's original creation was good, and the creation account indicates that all animals ate plants, not each other.
So pre-fall animals had big pointy teeth which they just chose not to use?
 
  • Like
Reactions: tyke
Upvote 0

amariselle

Jesus Never Fails
Sep 28, 2004
6,648
4,201
The Great Northern Wilderness
✟75,570.00
Country
United States
Gender
Female
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
CA-Conservatives
So pre-fall animals had big pointy teeth which they just chose not to use?

Who said they did or didn't? The Bible doesn't refer to that.
 
Upvote 0

Oafman

Try telling that to these bog brained murphys
Dec 19, 2012
7,107
4,063
Malice
✟28,559.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
Politics
UK-Labour
Who said they did or didn't? The Bible doesn't refer to that.
The fossil record confirms it. We know that animals were eating each other long before humans ever existed.
 
Upvote 0

amariselle

Jesus Never Fails
Sep 28, 2004
6,648
4,201
The Great Northern Wilderness
✟75,570.00
Country
United States
Gender
Female
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
CA-Conservatives
The fossil record confirms it. We know that animals were eating each other long before humans ever existed.

The fossil record is broken and inconclusive at best. Even other scientists have admitted that, apart from any particular agenda.
 
Upvote 0

Archaeopteryx

Wanderer
Jul 1, 2007
22,229
2,608
✟78,240.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Private
No, I am mentioning it only because many think that all of their beliefs are irrefutably backed up by scientific evidence, and that it is only creationists who depend on faith.
Creationists do depend on faith. Case in point, the Statement of Faith of AiG, which says the following:
Answers in Genesis said:
By definition, no apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the scriptural record.
 
Upvote 0

TLK Valentine

I've already read the books you want burned.
Apr 15, 2012
64,493
30,322
Behind the 8-ball, but ahead of the curve.
✟541,572.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Agnostic
Marital Status
Single
No, I am mentioning it only because many think that all of their beliefs are irrefutably backed up by scientific evidence, and that it is only creationists who depend on faith.

That just establishes that people are fallible.
 
Upvote 0

KWCrazy

Newbie
Apr 13, 2009
7,229
1,993
Bowling Green, KY
✟90,577.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican
Only creationists seem to expect dogs to "evolve" into cats or animals into plants.
We're not the ones who believe man shares a common ancestor with a daffodil.
If a dog can't evolve into anything else then evolution can't happen.
Evolution not only demands increasing complexity, but it must be so common that it's the driving force of all living things.
If nothing CAN evolve into anything else then nothing DID evolve into anything else.
 
Upvote 0