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[Hoghead1]

It's easy for Christians to believe in evolution. All they have to do is to reject 45% of the Scriptures and assume that Jesus was lying though His teeth when He spoke of Noah and compared the Scriptures to the Word of God. All good Christians know that the Bible is really just a book of mythology. All good Christians know that God was capable only of accidentally setting things in motion and that the creation took billions of years. They know that the whole bit about a six day creation was made up by bronze age goat herders and has nothing to do with reality.

The one thing I don't understand is this. If Darwinists believe what Darwin taught, shouldn't Christians believe what Christ taught? But then, what do I know? I'm one of those crazy people who still believe the Bible is true.

You believe what fundamentalist ideology has told you about Scripture. And how valid that particular ideology is, is in question in many Christian circles.

 

[Cearbhall]

The one thing I don't understand is this. If Darwinists believe what Darwin taught, shouldn't Christians believe what Christ taught? But then, what do I know? I'm one of those crazy people who still believe the Bible is true.

How is that comparable? Darwin was wrong about some things. He was just a human. There's no religion about him. He's not the focus. The validity of the theory is the focus, and it's got a pretty darn good record.

 

[Hoghead1]

I object to the evolution that infers we have no Creator. And much of what is taught today does just that.

Examples, please.

 

[Job8]

Well, OK, then. So why object to teaching about evolution?

Because objection to fantasy allows people to believe in reality. Even Darwin admitted that a lot of his theory was pure conjecture.

 

[amariselle]

You believe what fundamentalist ideology has told you about Scripture. And how valid that particular ideology is, is in question in many Christian circles.

I believe what I read in my Bible, as the inspired word of God.

 

[Cearbhall]

Then, why do you have trouble with teaching people about evolution? Your whole argument is about whether or not a Creator was involved with it, not whether there is such a process taking place. Almost all the presentations I have ever heard just simply describe the process and say nothing about whether or not God is called for. That question is left open for theology and philosophy to address.

To be sure. The question of whether there was a divine being guiding the process or not is not a question for science, and any scientist (or armchair scientist) who claims to have disproved the involvement of God is full of it.

 

[KWCrazy]

Y He wasn't "lying" when he told the parables, so why would it be "lying" to tell important stories from his culture that were thought up by someone else?

If He was the son of God He knew the truth. If He spoke things that were not true, then He could not have been the son of God after all. Anyone I ever met older than seven knew the difference between a parable and referencing real people and events.

 

[amariselle]

Examples, please.

Okay, the teaching that we were not created by God because we are all descended for "a common ancestor" and that that common ancestor evolved over millions of years from single celled organisms.

 

[Cearbhall]

In some ways I suppose I am. I freely admit I do not have all the answers in this. But on a smaller scale we have seen the possibilities in genetics. (Take all the different breeds of dog we have now for instance, all of that potential was in the wolves God created.)

Well, we can also see the possibilities on a larger scale, using the fossil record. If you don't think it's immoral to believe in the breeding of dogs, then what could be immoral about thinking that God does the same thing on a larger scale?

 

[Gene2memE]

I believe it is a violation of forum rules to plagiarize from this forum and post to other forums, like that trash website.

Then you should have no problem pointing out where on the Forum Rules this is indicated.

 

[KWCrazy]

I believe what I read in my Bible, as the inspired word of God.

Wait, I'm confused.
Isn't the Bible supposed to be nothing but the ranting of bronze aged goat herders?
It would really be helpful if the "more enlightened" would tell us which portions of the Bible we should believe and which portions we should just rip out and burn. I keep asking; along with the criteria used to make the distinction; but I never seem to get a straight answer.
I guess the only real prophet was Darwin, right?

 

[Cearbhall]

I object to the evolution that infers we have no Creator. And much of what is taught today does just that.

I've never been exposed to a program that made such a comment.

You believe what fundamentalist ideology has told you about Scripture. And how valid that particular ideology is, is in question in many Christian circles.

I'm always surprised at fundamentalists' lack of interest in cultural understanding and appreciation. Instead, they judge the Bible the same way they would judge a modern newspaper, with little interest in the symbolism or the significance of the literary choices that were made.

I believe it is a violation of forum rules to plagiarize from this forum and post to other forums, like that trash website.

How would anyone know who did it?

 

[HitchSlap]

Wait, I'm confused.
Isn't the Bible supposed to be nothing but the ranting of bronze aged goat herders?
It would really be helpful if the "more enlightened" would tell us which portions of the Bible we should believe and which portions we should just rip out and burn. I keep asking; along with the criteria used to make the distinction; but I never seem to get a straight answer.
I guess the only real prophet was Darwin, right?

Why all the drama?

 

[KWCrazy]

Then you should have no problem pointing out where on the Forum Rules this is indicated.

You could use this one. Publicly releasing the contents of a member's private communications without permission is not allowed. I am not a mod, but if it were my forum and people were quote mining my website for derision on another, that person would be removed immediately.

 

[Cearbhall]

Because objection to fantasy allows people to believe in reality. Even Darwin admitted that a lot of his theory was pure conjecture.

...and that was quite a while ago now. Science actually acquires new information, remember. No scientist looks at The Origin of Species the way a fundamentalist looks at the Bible, as if there's nothing else to be discovered.

I believe what I read in my Bible, as the inspired word of God.

You can believe that something is true in a sense other than textbook facts. I can't think of any other context where people think "inspired" means that you're reading cold hard history. Sheesh, these poor under-appreciated cultures that spent so much time crafting these stories, and the authors who transcribed them so beautifully...

 

[Gene2memE]

You could use this one. Publicly releasing the contents of a member's private communications without permission is not allowed. I am not a mod, but if it were my forum and people were quote mining my website for derision on another, that person would be removed immediately.

Private messages between members (conducted via the private messaging function), and messages on the general boards are very different things and are treated very differently.

If you're posting on a public message board, open to the general public to read and respond to, what makes you think that constitutes "private communications"?

 

[Robert Palase]

I believe what I read in my Bible, as the inspired word of God.

The Bible was written by men so it's men you are putting your trust in, they said there was a God and you believe them,
that is entirely up to you, good luck.

 

[Robert Palase]

So, if I understand you correctly, you think the Christian belief in eternal life is all just wishful thinking?

Do you have any evidence showing you that it's not? [other than a feeling that is]

Sure I do, the word of God. Problem is, you think it's nothing. So you will go no further.

I realise that it's pointless even discussing this with you because your belief lowers your standards of evidence to rock bottom.
Text can not be evidence for obvious reason, text is the opinions of men, Spiderman does not exist just because it has been written down that he does.
I'm sure you don't believe in all the other texts written about all the other Gods in fact I'm sure you don't give them a second thought.

 

[Robert Palase]

If He was the son of God He knew the truth. If He spoke things that were not true, then He could not have been the son of God after all. Anyone I ever met older than seven knew the difference between a parable and referencing real people and events.

If Jesus existed no one knows what he thought or said because he had been dead for at least 50 years before anything was written about him let alone what he was supposed to have said.

 

[SteveB28]

I have received a LOT more with God then what I had with science. This is the reason I became a Christian. Science did not have answers and solutions. God has all the answers and all the solutions. That is why we need to learn to do things God's way and NOT man's way.

"There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way to death." Proverb14:12

God has all the answers? How does he suggest we prevent the spread of infectious disease? Nothing too serious.....E.coli will do. What is his advice there?