Do we vote, and for whom?

[Albion]

By asking the leader of a foreign country to investigate his Democratic opponent for "dirt" to influence the 2020 Presidential Election, Trump is subverting the Constitution, his oath of office and the electoral process!

You seem to have Adam Schiff's talking points down pat.

I wish very much that we all could 1) find out exactly what happened before too long a wait, and 2) base our own judgments on those facts after they are made known to the public.

 

[Ken Rank]

Given that Trump asked for the Ukrainian leader to investigate Biden the day after Mueller testified before Congress, what would make "Ken Rank" believe that this President learns from his mistakes or that he is inclined to repent rather than "double down" at some later date?

By enlisting the aid of the leader of a foreign nation to uncover "dirt" about his Democratic opponent that he intended to use to influence the 2020 Presidential Election, Trump has subverted the Constitution, broken his oath of office and attempted to undermine the electoral process!

Asking a foreign leader to investigate corruption done by an elected US official is protocol. He was doing his job. Biden is the law breaker here.... threatening to withhold a billion US tax dollars of aid to the Ukraine unless the prosecutor investigating the corrupt company his son worked for is wrong. But see it as you wish... I DON'T CARE. I am voting for Trump... gladly!

 

[Ken Rank]

I saw a meme the other day that I think sums up the way in which the left look at Trump. It said, "The Democrats have video of Trump with 15 items in his shopping cart while trying to check out of a 10 item or less lane... this could be it!"

 

[Albion]

But see it as you wish... I DON'T CARE. I am voting for Trump... gladly!

If you are lucky enough to be allowed to do that. The point of all of this is to prevent him from being on the ballot. That's why there is such a rush to get the thing done.

 

[Ken Rank]

If you are lucky enough to be allowed to do that. The point of all of this is to prevent him from being on the ballot. That's why there is such a rush to get the thing done.

The Muellar investigation found nothing. Not only does his report say that (if one was so inclined to read it all) but if it did contain anything, we wouldn't be watching the media go gaga over a whistle-blower that didn't hear anything first hand, they are repeating what somebody else SAID they heard. Which leads us to the whistle-blower... since they didn't hear anything first hand, when this ever got to the Supreme Court it would be thrown out... though I doubt it ever gets that far. So I am not concerned about him being on the ballet, nor am I concerned about impeachment unless the Senate is lost to the left.

 

[Albion]

When did we Americans ever think that one or the other of the political parties would actually use the agencies of government that they happened to control...to prevent free elections?

Growing up, we thought that was something that only happened in "other countries," what we used to call banana republics. Yet here it is and about half of the public seems not to even know what is going on or else thinks it is a good idea.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

We were told thousands of years ago where the world would end up - in the hands of the antichrist. Each successive world leader is but a stepping stone towards that end. Seeing as there is no way to vote ourselves off this path (since the path has been set according to the Word of God), does it make sense to vote at all any more?

It never made sense to vote to have government like other nations have.

When Israel "voted", and asked for a king, Yahuweh gave them a king..... because they insisted, and
Yahuweh said in doing so they were /had/ rejected the Creator Ruling them. So they suffered for wanting a king... just as Yahuweh had said they would suffer,
and likewise today still.....

 

[Albion]

But the republicans don't uphold Christian values. They are the party of money and greed, both distinctly un-Bibical positions.

Well, they are not silent in the face of infanticide or quietly approving of it. Does that matter at all when it comes to "uphold(ing) Christian values," then? I'm curious.

And how is being on the take from--and beholden to--multi-millionaires like George Soros and Tom Steyer an answer to "money and greed?"

 

[Ricky M]

I saw a meme the other day that I think sums up the way in which the left look at Trump. It said, "The Democrats have video of Trump with 15 items in his shopping cart while trying to check out of a 10 item or less lane... this could be it!"

True, but the republicans likewise don't see the 12 items Trump has hidden in his pockets and under his shirt that he doesn't intend to pay for.

 

[Ricky M]

Well, they are not silent in the face of infanticide or quietly approving of it. Does that matter at all when it comes to "uphold(ing) Christian values," then? I'm curious.

And how is being on the take from--and beholden to--multi-millionaires like George Soros and Tom Steyer an answer to "money and greed?"

And yet here we are several years down the road and have they made any effort to stop it?

As for Soros et al, just more proof that these two different roads LEAD TO THE SAME END.

Hence the call to abandon them BOTH.

 

[Albion]

And yet here we are several years down the road and have they made any effort to stop it?

They were stopped by the other party the last time they tried. Today, there are even more Democrats in the House of Representatives, and we all know that they vote in unison when told to.

As for Soros et al, just more proof that these two different roads LEAD TO THE SAME END.

Not exactly what was said in your previous post, though, is that?

But the republicans don't uphold Christian values. They are the party of money and greed,...

 

[carp614]

And yet here we are several years down the road and have they made any effort to stop it?

As for Soros et al, just more proof that these two different roads LEAD TO THE SAME END.

Hence the call to abandon them BOTH.

So what is it you are advocating for?
Are you saying we need better candidates or that voting should stop or just that you personally are going to stop voting or something else?

 

[Ricky M]

They were stopped by the other party the last time they tried. Today, there are even more Democrats in the House of Representatives, and we all know that they vote in unison when told to.


Not exactly what was said in your previous post, though, is that?

P1: Which is my point (maybe more so in the other thread), if we know a certain outcome is guaranteed, do we fight to change it anyway?

P2: And yes, if you've been following the bouncing ball, you'd see that I have said that REPEATEDLY

 

[Ricky M]

So what is it you are advocating for?
Are you saying we need better candidates or that voting should stop or just that you personally are going to stop voting or something else?

I'm saying that BOTH major parties promote their own form of un-Godly evils and we need to stop supporting BOTH of them.

 

[Albion]

P2: And yes, if you've been following the bouncing ball, you'd see that I have said that REPEATEDLY

Well, it wasn't part of P2.

Just the opposite was; and that is what I was responding to.

 

[carp614]

I'm saying that BOTH major parties promote their own form of un-Godly evils and we need to stop supporting BOTH of them.

Ok I understand you are saying we should stop supporting Republican and Democrat candidates for office.

What about the obvious follow up question. Who to support? You've said not these two, who is a reasonable alternative?

 

[Ricky M]

Ok I understand you are saying we should stop supporting Republican and Democrat candidates for office.

What about the obvious follow up question. Who to support? You've said not these two, who is a reasonable alternative?

That, my friend, is the question of the day.