Do we really go to Heaven when we die?

[Water Cross]

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John 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.

 

[megaflies]

If you die, your dead. If you live, then you sleep

 

[search4truth1121]

It is the hope that remains. Not to those that think that they have it already but to those who have never been defiled by a woman, as the time is right and born through the word as children to enter heaven.

That makes absolutely no sense.

 

[search4truth1121]

If you die, your dead. If you live, then you sleep

That does make sense.

 

[Steeno7]

It is that to be absent from the body is to turn your foot from fleshly desire and to embrace the understanding of the word of God. If it is that you have understanding then the word is in you and if you have the word you have our Father also. Not to be confused with going to heaven. If your feet are clean, is not the rest of your body clean also ?

Ummmm, no. To be absent from the body, as Paul is saying it, is to be physically dead.

 

[search4truth1121]

Acts 1:6 "Then they gathered around him and asked him, “Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?”

7 He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”

9 After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight.

10 They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 11 “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”

I long for this day.

 

[search4truth1121]

But who were these 2 men, it says that no one has ever gone in to heaven except Jesus.. This is obviously an inconsistency?

 

[Steeno7]

But who were these 2 men, it says that no one has ever gone in to heaven except Jesus.. This is obviously an inconsistency?

An inconsistency in our understanding perhaps. If it means what some seem to think it means, how then do you explain Enoch?

 

[Archie the Preacher]

Interesting, "Search4". First you ask a question like you're really disturbed about what your father told you, then you quote all sorts of scripture demonstrating your 'knowledge'. But you tell me the need to accept Jesus in Chapter 3 of John eludes you.

How curious.

Well, here's another quote of Jesus you won't find or understand:

For the one who has will be given more, and he will have more than enough. But the one who does not have, even what he has will be taken from him.

 

[search4truth1121]

Interesting, "Search4". First you ask a question like you're really disturbed about what your father told you, then you quote all sorts of scripture demonstrating your 'knowledge'. But you tell me the need to accept Jesus in Chapter 3 of John eludes you.

I wouldn't say disturbed, I'd say there's reason to question whether we do or not. No the need to accept Jesus is not the question, or the problem. Though im asuuming thats what the parable is about. What gets me is this gulf or hell fire burning pit, and all the other verses which say we come from the dust to dust we will return etc and modern day Christians using verses like "In my fathers house are many mansions, if it were not true I would not tell you, I go to prepare a place for you." And they leave it at that, for example. So when you look closer at it and see, AND I WILL COME AGAIN and receive you unto myself, so that where I am..(Jesus to be on earth) There you may be also, and the way you will know.!!'' This is deceitful, some even go as far as to take those words away and say I go to heaven to prepare a place for you in Heaven. Like thats where we are going. I talked to a Baptist pastor once, and asked him to show me where this Devil lucifer fallen Angel comes from.. He turned me to Isaiah 14 and pointed me to the few verses.. I said Okay? Hm I then looked at the start of Chapter 12 13 and 14 and noticed something common, The Destruction Of Babylon. At the start of Isaiah 14 it says thou shalt take up this proverb and deliver it to the King of Babylon... Nebuchadnezzar? Its false! When i showed him this he pointed me to the King of Tyre, and same thing.. Proverb to the king of Tyre. I went through my whole life believing this stuff and then When i point it out to the pastor he says, "well i dont know" .. So heres someone whos been studying for 5 years, preaching for another 4 or 5 years on top of that telling everyone to "watch out for this devil" or We're All going to heaven if we're good and Hell if we are bad, only to find out that its complete crap. The blind leading the blind..Thats how i see it. So I need to know, God is not the Author of confusion, If i put my mind to it and study it in every detail then I am sure I will come to an understanding. Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honor of kings is to search out a matter.

How curious.

Well, here's another quote of Jesus you won't find or understand:

For the one who has will be given more, and he will have more than enough. But the one who does not have, even what he has will be taken from him.

From what I understand its a lesson about Talents, using the talents you have to gain more.. And to squander those talents would be a sin in itself, though this parable from where you get this verse is how banking and investments even work today. You have 100 dollars and invest it wisely you get 200 back.. You have 50 dollars and go and bury it, you still have 50 dollars.. In reference to the weeping and gnashing of teeth I believe that is reference to those who will walk mortal on Earth while the Plagues of the end times begin, and the suffering will be likened to that.

 

[search4truth1121]

You could say its even happening right now.

 

[EGordo]

Could you clarify your problem? Also have you read all of the New Testament? If not you should. Your lack of understanding can come from picking and choosing verses instead of reading it in its full context.

 

[search4truth1121]

No Worries. The teaching that we go to Heaven when we Die.. Its not true, is it. The bible is contradicting if it is.