Do we need to be baptized in order to be saved ?

[Aaron112]

and?

smh

You posted , perhaps more than once, the word 'sin' was not mentioned,

apparently missing the sin exposed/ discussed/ God was revealing.

 

[Aaron112]

“Watch out that no one deceives you." or is it too late ?

response to the disciples questions

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You posted , perhaps more than once, the word 'sin' was not mentioned,

apparently missing the sin exposed/ discussed/ God was revealing.

the word is not there. And it should not be insinuated that it is a part. You added the word... Now your trying to excuse it away as if it does not mater.

smh

 

[Eternally Grateful]

“Watch out that no one deceives you." or is it too late ?

So Jesus answered 3 questions from the desciples. and I am decieved?

Are you for real?

 

[Aaron112]

So Jesus answered 3 questions from the desciples. and I am decieved?

Are you for real?

The very common and popular/ accepted errors make it difficult to discuss on the internet.
Since most errors are accepted as truth, and truth is called a lie, this is dangerous territory today.

 

[Aaron112]

the word is not there. And it should not be insinuated that it is a part. You added the word... Now your trying to excuse it away as if it does not mater.

smh

Are you being weird on purpose ? Disobedience is sin, without the word sin. Rebellion is sin, without the word sin. Rejecting Jesus is sin, without the word sin. Most posts are sin, without the word sin.
What is your purpose here/ your goal ?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The very common and popular/ accepted errors make it difficult to discuss on the internet.
Since most errors are accepted as truth, and truth is called a lie, this is dangerous territory today.

So the error that people must endure to the end to be saved eternally.

as apposed to the truth that those alive during great tribulation that if they endure the suffering and hardship and somehow make it until Christ returns. that they will be saved and enter the kingdom with Jesus

is difficult to discuss?

I do not think it is..

 

[Doug Brents]

those alive during great tribulation

We are in the "great tribulation" now, and have been since Revelation was written.

that if they endure the suffering and hardship and somehow make it until Christ returns. that they will be saved and enter the kingdom with Jesus

The Church is the Kingdom of Jesus, and has been around since Pentecost (at the latest).

 

[Eternally Grateful]

We are in the "great tribulation" now, and have been since Revelation was written.

no we are not. The great tribulation happens after the abomination of desolation. That has not even occured yet

The Church is the Kingdom of Jesus, and has been around since Pentecost (at the latest).

Jesus will come and rule.

The OT prophets said he would

I trust them, and that they did nto lie. Especially they wrote what God told the to write

 

[Guojing]

Daniel's 70th week has already happened, immediately after the 69th week.

Any sin from which we do not repent is the sin described in Heb 6:4-6.

What instruction is it that is not relevant to us today? You have lost me here.

Oh, you are a preterist as well? What was the mark of the beast then?

If it has already passed, we are suppose to be in the millennium kingdom today.

 

[Guojing]

Jesus said that about those living during the great tribulation period. and this salvation is their physical life. not eternal life.

Context should be your friend.

Oh you follow the grace evangelical society there?

 

[Doug Brents]

no we are not. The great tribulation happens after the abomination of desolation. That has not even occured yet

That happened when the Temple was sacked. There is NO future event for which we are waiting that will let us know the end is near. All of the predictions that must come before the second coming of Jesus have already happened. If it were not so, then His coming would not be like a thief in the night.

Jesus will come and rule.

The OT prophets said he would

He already rules. He is already King, and His Kingdom is the Church. We are not still awaiting His Kingdom to be established, nor are we awaiting His rule. The thousand years will occur in Heaven after the destruction of this entire world upon His second coming (2 Pet 3:10, Rev 20:11, Rev 21:1).

 

[Doug Brents]

Oh, you are a preterist as well? What was the mark of the beast then?

If it has already passed, we are suppose to be in the millennium kingdom today.

The millennium does not take place on Earth. It takes place in Heaven after this world has completely been destroyed (2 Pet 3:10, Rev 20:11, Rev 21:1). I have no idea what the "mark of the beast" is (although it has been suggested that it may be American currency). But it does not come about in the millennium kingdom. It comes during the current age, long before the millennium.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That happened when the Temple was sacked. There is NO future event for which we are waiting that will let us know the end is near. All of the predictions that must come before the second coming of Jesus have already happened. If it were not so, then His coming would not be like a thief in the night.

lol.. Ok. further proof I can move on

He already rules. He is already King, and His Kingdom is the Church. We are not still awaiting His Kingdom to be established, nor are we awaiting His rule. The thousand years will occur in Heaven after the destruction of this entire world upon His second coming (2 Pet 3:10, Rev 20:11, Rev 21:1).

Yes he is

But look at this the earth. and look at the OT view of the earth when he rules.

if you think this is what it will be like. I feel sorry for you

 

[Doug Brents]

Yes he is

But look at this the earth. and look at the OT view of the earth when he rules.

if you think this is what it will be like. I feel sorry for you

Jesus' rule will not be here on this Earth. His Kingdom is here in the Church and it will never be destroyed, but His rule in the Millennium will be in Heaven, just as the New Earth will appear in Heaven (Rev 21:1). Certainly this Earth is not the fulfillment of the OT prophecies of what the rule of Christ will be like. That is because this Earth is not where those prophecies will be fulfilled.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Jesus' rule will not be here on this Earth. His Kingdom is here in the Church and it will never be destroyed, but His rule in the Millennium will be in Heaven, just as the New Earth will appear in Heaven (Rev 21:1). Certainly this Earth is not the fulfillment of the OT prophecies of what the rule of Christ will be like. That is because this Earth is not where those prophecies will be fulfilled.

Zech 14: 16 And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 17 And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain. 18 If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the Lord strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 19 This shall be the [i]punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.

Ps 2:
8 Ask of Me, and I will give You
The nations for Your inheritance,
And the ends of the earth for Your possession.
9 You shall [h]break them with a rod of iron;
You shall dash them to pieces like a potter’s vessel.’ ”
10 Now therefore, be wise, O kings;
Be instructed, you judges of the earth.
11 Serve the Lord with fear,
And rejoice with trembling.
12 [i]Kiss the Son, lest [j]He be angry,
And you perish in the way,
When His wrath is kindled but a little.
Blessed are all those who put their trust in Him.


Rev 19:
11 Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. 12 His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He [e]had a name written that no one knew except Himself. 13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in [f]fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. 15 Now out of His mouth goes a [g]sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written:

KING OF KINGS AND
LORD OF LORDS.
17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that fly in the midst of heaven, “Come and gather together for the [h]supper of the great God, 18 that you may eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them, and the flesh of all people, [i]free and slave, both small and great.”

19 And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. 20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21 And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.

Just stick to the word..

 

[Doug Brents]

Rev 19:
11 Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. 12 His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He [e]had a name written that no one knew except Himself. 13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in [f]fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. 15 Now out of His mouth goes a [g]sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written:

KING OF KINGS AND
LORD OF LORDS.
17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that fly in the midst of heaven, “Come and gather together for the [h]supper of the great God, 18 that you may eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them, and the flesh of all people, [i]free and slave, both small and great.”

19 And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. 20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21 And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.

Just stick to the word..

This is the second coming of the Lord, as is 2 Pet 3:10-11,
"But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be discovered. 11 Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, ..."
The "heavens" mentioned here are the first and second "heavens" (the atmosphere of Earth (the first heaven) and space where the stars are (the second heaven). The third Heaven is where God lives). There will be nothing left of this reality (any of the physical universe) when Jesus comes again. Will it still be here long enough for Jesus to wage war on the armies of the nations? Probably. We know that He will come and remove all the righteous dead, and then all the righteous living will meet Him in the clouds (1 Thes 4:16-17). There won't be a righteous person left on Earth. And they won't return to the Earth. Then the nations will come against Him with the Beast and Satan, and the Beast and all the nations will be defeated. Satan also will be bound and locked away (Rev 20:1). Then come the thousand years. This will be in Heaven, not on this Earth (there won't be an Earth left). The thousand years is a wedding celebration of Jesus and the Church. And it occurs where Jesus lives (at the place He has gone to prepare for us (His bride))(John 14:3).

 

[Eternally Grateful]

This is the second coming of the Lord, as is 2 Pet 3:10-11,
"But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be discovered. 11 Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, ..."
The "heavens" mentioned here are the first and second "heavens" (the atmosphere of Earth (the first heaven) and space where the stars are (the second heaven). The third Heaven is where God lives). There will be nothing left of this reality (any of the physical universe) when Jesus comes again. Will it still be here long enough for Jesus to wage war on the armies of the nations? Probably. We know that He will come and remove all the righteous dead, and then all the righteous living will meet Him in the clouds (1 Thes 4:16-17). There won't be a righteous person left on Earth. And they won't return to the Earth. Then the nations will come against Him with the Beast and Satan, and the Beast and all the nations will be defeated. Satan also will be bound and locked away (Rev 20:1). Then come the thousand years. This will be in Heaven, not on this Earth (there won't be an Earth left). The thousand years is a wedding celebration of Jesus and the Church. And it occurs where Jesus lives (at the place He has gone to prepare for us (His bride))(John 14:3).

yet there is still death, Still people being punished because their is still sin. There will be final rebellion after these things take place.

what kind of heaven are you looking for?

 

[Mike McK]

I was just wondering does a person need to be baptized in water in order to be saved ?

No. Baptism is a response to salvation, not a means of salvation. We need to be baptized to be obedient, but not to be saved.

 

[Doug Brents]

yet there is still death, Still people being punished because their is still sin. There will be final rebellion after these things take place.

what kind of heaven are you looking for?

After the thousand year wedding celebration, Satan will be released from the pit (which is not Hell) for a short time, and the evil dead will be resurrected (the second resurrection). Then Satan will again lead the evil people in rebellion against God. This will be his last attempt, because he, and all of the evil people, demons, devils, beasts, etc., will be cast into Hell for all eternity.

The Heaven the righteous will enjoy for the thousand years, and then after Judgement in the New heavens and New Earth, will be perfect, sinless, beautiful, tear-less, deathless, etc. We will not be like we are now, but will be changed (1 Cor 15:35-38, 42-49).