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Baptism is necessary for those who have heard the Gospel and believe. Do not reject it. That doesn't mean God is hindered in any way from saving others.
So if a person rejects water baptism, can God still save him?
You're not making sense to me.Please tell me, how in relative or not. I was under the impression that Christ said "I tell you that you will be with me in paradise." It seemed to be pretty cut and dried under Jesus' commandment in that moment. It seemed that the their was assured his place in heaven next to Christ.
Baptism is a Divine institution like the Lord's Supper. It is an express and direct command of Christ directing that it be observed for all time by His Church. From the Great Commission text, baptism within Christ's church is not optional just as teaching or preaching is not optional. The name of God in the recipient's baptism gives baptism it's distinctiveness apart from all other rituals of Scripture. Furthermore the only time and place where the Triune formula is commanded to be used by Jesus' church.... is in baptism.My considered opinion therefore is that it is not only inadvisable but dangerous to refuse baptism,
The question is not whether God can save, since God is omnipotent, but whether or not God might be willing save.
And the answer is that we don’t know.
We do know however that God has expressed a willingness to save those who are baptized, and that baptism remits sin (Acts 2:36) thus cleansing us from inherited sin and our own sins if baptized as an adult, and allowing us to be grafted onto the Body of Christ.
My considered opinion therefore is that it is not only inadvisable but dangerous to refuse baptism, but I pray for the salvation of everyone. However, everyone who has heard the Gospel should, I believe, hasten to the font and be received into the Church, being baptized, chrismated and thenceforth receiving Holy Communion as often as possible for them.
I particularly like the Slavonic practice of auricular confession before receiving the Eucharist.
Baptism is a Divine institution like the Lord's Supper. It is an express and direct command of Christ directing that it be observed for all time by His Church. From the Great Commission text, baptism within Christ's church is not optional just as teaching or preaching is not optional. The name of God in the recipient's baptism gives baptism it's distinctiveness apart from all other rituals of Scripture. Furthermore the only time and place where the Triune formula is commanded to be used by Jesus' church.... is in baptism.
Additionally, in the Book of Acts, the giving of the HS and Baptism are so closely linked together, it is hard to tell when one ends and other begins. The gift of the HS may come immediately before baptism (Cornelius, Acts 10) immediately after baptism (Acts 8 & 19) or during (Acts 2, 9:17).
Out right rejection of Baptism is a rejection of Jesus' command and a rejection of the gift of the HS.
As Augustine correctly said...."It is not the absence of baptism that damns, the despise of baptism damns.
I really need to do some study on the KofG passages and children. Jesus says in the 5 Kingdom passages children and infants have the ability to RECIEVE the Kingdom of God. Before the Day of Pentecost, children were received into the at least by the blessings of Jesus. In Mt. 21, children received into the Kingdom by singing praises taught by their parents. Post Pentecost children are brought into the Kingdom by baptism.did command that the little children be permitted to come to Him.
Ok, I didn't communicate that post quite right. I was trying (not very well) to say that the thief on the cross next to Christ was exempted from water baptism by the word of Christ (ie God) Being water baptized alone I don't believe save one. Water baptism is the washing away of one's sins. Gad can also wash away one's sins by his commandment and will. That is why the thief was saved without it. However, I believe an everyday person should be water baptized, not to become saved, that is by God's grace but it is an outward expression of one's salvation to the local Christian community. Does that make more sense? I apologize for the kind of jumbled-up post I made. I did the same even worse than that in another thread. I think I was half asleep in the dark and I never really learned touch typing so that night I was just hitting the wrong buttons and I neglected to reread what I was about to post. So that's my fault. Does this clear up what I was trying to say?You're not making sense to me.
Chapter and verse please.Gad can also wash away one's sins by his commandment and will.
Chapter and verse please.but it is an outward expression of one's salvation to the local Christian community.
This is correct. Baptism is the remedy for original sin. Who believes this? Lutherans, Calvinists, Anglicans, Methodists, the RCC and the Orthodox. Who don't believe this.....Baptists, American Evangelicals, Charismatics, Pentecostals and SDA. And the debate continues.Water baptism is the washing away of one's sins.
Lutherans, Calvinists, Anglicans, Methodists, the RCC and the Orthodox.
The real scary number of adherents are Pentecostals and Charismatics. While Pentecosts can be numbered, Charismatics can't. No one has an accurate number....between 250-450 million in both camps. And the numbers are growing. The Word of Faith and Prosperity Gospel beliefs are still all the rage, TBN and Daystar TV are going gangbusters....which is market driven appetite for the more sensational psuedo-spiritual gifts. Spiritual flim flam.Indeed, and Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Anglicans, Lutherans, Calvinists and Oriental Orthodox are the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and 7th largest denominational groupings, with approximately 1 billion, 250 million, 140 million, 100 million, 80 million, and 60 million members.
The Methodist family (including the UMC, GMC, Nazarene, Free Methodist, British Methodist, and historically Methodist parishes of the United Church of Canada and the Uniting Church in Australia, and the historically black Methodist churches such as the African Methodist Episcopal and AME Zion churches, and also various Wesleyan and Wesleyan Holiness churches) are not far behind, but I hesitate to provide an exact size, as the data is unreliable due to the alienated former membership of the UMC being in flux, with many having become Orthodox or members of other traditional liturgical churches, including more traditional Methodist churches, including our friend @jas3 who became Eastern Orthodox, and several of my relatives who are still discerning where to go.
The real scary number of adherents are Pentecostals and Charismatics. While Pentecosts can be numbered, Charismatics can't. No one has an accurate number....between 250-450 million in both camps. And the numbers are growing. The Word of Faith and Prosperity Gospel beliefs are still all the rage, TBN and Daystar TV are going gangbusters....which is market driven appetite for the more sensational psuedo-spiritual gifts. Spiritual flim flam.
I find this a minor disagreement but in my world Baptism is a declaration of having been forgiven, even more prominent it is the Public Statement that one is determined to follow Yashuah haḾashiach.Water baptism is the washing away of one's sins. Gad can also wash away one's sins by his commandment and will. That is why the thief was
No.I was just wondering does a person need to be baptized in water in order to be saved ?
I find this a minor disagreement but in my world Baptism is a declaration of having been forgiven, even more prominent it is the Public Statement that one is determined to follow Yashuah haḾashiach.
Spirit. "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned." (Mark 16:16)Anything else you would also need to be saved?
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