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Do the current violent actions

Do the violent actions taken out on Trump supporters:

  • Make you more likely to vote for Trump

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  • Make you less likely to vote for Trump

    Votes: 4 7.7%
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I was pointing out that Clinton condemned the violence at the Trump rally
You can describe it that way, but such faint criticism, coupled with blaming the victims, really doesn't amount to a "condemnation."
 
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Not a good analogy, the rape victim isn't doing anything wrong by wearing skimpy clothes. But saying you oppose violence while claiming you want to punch people and offering to pay for the legal defense of one of the first instigators of violence, is wrong.
 
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Good point. If we look at WW2 and WW1 and quite a few others, the die was cast not by those in office when the conflicts started but, rather, those who made fateful and wrong decisions prior to that.
 
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Trump has nothing to do with violence at his events? He didn't say he wanted to punch protesters or offer to pay the legal costs for someone who did?
 
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Goes to show how nobody can take a joke, unless of course, you're a rational-minded human being (which the violent protesters clearly are not).

Everybody at that Trump Rally knew he was joking when he said that. There was lots of laughing and chuckling and he even was chuckling with a big smile on his face. I was chuckling with a smile on my face. He gets up at the podium and he goes "We're gonna have some FUN tonight!" And that's what his rallies are: They're fun. You get to listen to (hopefully) the future president telling you how he wants to improve your life and he throws some jokes in there.

Now, the Anti-Trump crowd... they're looking for ANYTHING to dig up on the man, including idle jokes he makes. Well, joke's on you guys because every time you attack Trump he just gets stronger. That's because the rational people knew he was just joking, and you make yourselves look like idiots when you take the jokes he tells seriously when it was rather obvious he was joking.
 
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No one who's not in the pocket of one of the Democratic candidates could possibly buy such a line. "Oh yeh, our folks get to riot time and again because the other candidate said he would pay for the defense of one man wrongly accused."

That's no argument.
 
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You think threatening to punch people is fun? I can imagine what you do when you are serious. Bomb countries?
 
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What's constitutional about banning people based on religion?
 
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You think threatening to punch people is fun? I can imagine what you do when you are serious. Bomb countries?

He wasn't threatening, he was joking. You've never heard someone go "I'mma kick your -beeeeep-" in jest? A couple of my coworkers, the one in particular says "I'm going to whup your -beeep-!" nearly every single day.

You know what happens? We laugh and continue about our merry way. And neither one of us have ever harmed a single person in our lives.

What's constitutional about banning people based on religion?

Sometimes drastic measures need to be taken to avoid a crisis situation. He said from the start, such measure would be temporary until a proper vetting system could be put into place. Then, when that is done, they can enter, legally, after they are vetted properly.
 
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What's constitutional about banning people based on religion?
What's UNConstitutional about it? We've had quotas and stringent admission requirements for legal immigrants almost through the whole of our history, and the prohibition concerning religion is that it is not to be made a requirement for holding office.
 
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Oh, ok...so when a Trump supporter punched a protester in the face, and Donald Trump praised him, it was a joke? A friendly 'just kidding ' kind of punch?
Donald Trump encouraged a supporter who committed a violent act, but he was only joking, and Hillary Clinton condemned violent actions but it doesn't count. Maybe if she had joked about paying their legal fees or punching them herself the Trump supporters would be satisfied.
 
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I get it, like interning Japanese citizens, perfectly constitutional.
 
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1). No Trump Supporter has ever attacked a Bernie or Hillary Supporter, nor a Trump Protester that I know of.
2). Hillary was shifting blame from the people causing violence to Trump himself, so the analogy doesn't work.

Now, if Trump stood up at that podium and said "My supporters are protesting at their rallies because Hillary says such mean things" then he'd be guilty. But you know what?

1). Trump supporters stick to Trump Rallies. They don't need to protest at Hillary's rallies. Maybe Hillary supporters should learn a thing or two?
2). Trump never shifted blame onto Hillary or Bernie. If a Trump supporter ever did attack a Hillary/Bernie supporter, I don't recall Trump ever condoning it nor shifting blame to Hillary/Bernie's words.

So..... try again.
 
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What part is confusing. ..that it's not wrong for women to dress how they choose, or that it's wrong to encourage your supports to commit violence by offering to pay their legal fees?
 
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You still can't make nothing into something with this, no matter how indignant you want us to think you are.
 
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I get it, like interning Japanese citizens, perfectly constitutional.

Maybe if they had entered the country lawfully in the first place, then we wouldn't need to play cleanup. Obama let these people enter the country by illegal means (no, him signing the executive order was NOT constitutional) and we don't even have papers on these people, and they are not following our immigration laws.

So what do you think we should do with them? They're in the country illegally, they are not following our immigration laws, and we don't have papers on a lot of these people.
 
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What part is confusing. ..that it's not wrong for women to dress how they choose, or that it's wrong to encourage your supports to commit violence by offering to pay their legal fees?

your entire post....never mind as it's not a big deal
 
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